Anavar as a first time cycle with GH? what's say you....

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 03:39 PM

What are your thoughts about me wanting to add an Anavar cycle along with my GH...first time for both?

Stats:
28 yrs old
Training on and off for 12 yrs
6ft 210 pds @ 12%

I am looking for better recovery for nagging little injuries/strains and slight Strength gains with fatloss.

I have been told Anavar was one of the best roids for recovery/healing and that if stacked with GH would make ultimate recovery cycle.

Thoughts/opinions/Advice anyone..........

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 03:49 PM

SOUNDS NICE BUT I WOULD ADD TEST FOR SURE - MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THIS-

weeks 1-24 4/6 iu hgh per day

weeks 1-8 70mgs anavar per week

weeks 8-24 300/400mgs test per week

weeks 18-26 70mgs anavar per week

weeks 26+ pct recovery.

thats how i would run it.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 04:04 PM

26 week cycle is pretty long...i suggest he uses HCG on cycle.

imo he should do
week 1-12 test 500 mg
1-4 anavar
8-12 anavar

GH throughout.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

26 week cycle is pretty long...i suggest he uses HCG on cycle.

imo he should do
week 1-12 test 500 mg
1-4 anavar
8-12 anavar

GH throughout.

12 weks gh ? waste of time imo ,the lay out of the cycle i have gave him is 6 months of gh with 14 weeks test and nice kick start anavar and a nice end with anavar -perfect imo.

hgh for 12 weeks is not the way to go imo.

**the big 1** · 03-18-2010, 04:11 PM

That would be alot of work preping all that gear everyday no?

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by the big 1

That would be alot of work preping all that gear everyday no?

well bodybuilding takes alot of work -lets see-

every day

7 am -4 iu injection of gh ( 2 mins)

7am 10mg anavar -10 secs

10am 10mg anavar 10 secs

12pm 10mgs anavar 10 secs

2pm 10mgs anavar 10 secs

5pm 10mgs var 10 secs

9pm 10ms anavar 10 secs

11pm 10mgs anavar 10 secs

add around 5 mins every monday and thursday for his test shots -

.................................................. ...........

a total of 3 mins 10 secs -per day without test

now think of all the time eating and training conpeared to that ,not hard work at all when you think about it.

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 04:27 PM

Guys I will be staying on GH for at least a year.

I like Anavar because it is easiest on liver and HPTA(supposedly).

I wouldn't want to stay on a roid cycle for longer than 12 weeks at a time because I don't want to destroy my natty test levels.

I dunno...maybe I'm speaking out of place here because I have no cycle experience.

I have always heard that once you start screwing with roids that your natty test levels will never be the same and even with pct they won't always come back.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 04:30 PM

he runs gh for a year and does a standard cycle while on it. i didnt say 12 weeks GH......26 week long cycle is gonna leave him on TRT.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:30 PM

lets see what you thinks good - i personaly love gh and test but at your age you dont want to be running test for a year so you can do one of 2 things

1- do two short ester cycles in a year ( 8 weekers)

2-do one long ester cycle last 12 weeks of your gh cycle.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

he runs gh for a year and does a standard cycle while on it. i didnt say 12 weeks GH......26 week long cycle is gonna leave him on TRT.

ok if you look at my 1st post -

24 weeks hgh

8 weeks anavar at start

8 weeks anavar to finish

14 weeks on test

you think that 14 weeks on test and 8 weeks on var will leave him on trt?

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

26 week cycle is pretty long...i suggest he uses HCG on cycle.

imo he should do
week 1-12 test 500 mg
1-4 anavar
8-12 anavar

GH throughout.

GH thoughout what ,oh the 12 weeks ?

thats were you said gh for 12 weeks .

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 04:43 PM

What if I don't want to run Test...but just Anavar with my GH.

Wouldn't Anavar be the safest and best thing for me to use?? considering the results I am looking for at my age...like....Recovery/healing/minor strength gains......

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by fossilfuel7

What if I don't want to run Test...but just Anavar with my GH.

Wouldn't Anavar be the safest and best thing for me to use?? considering the results I am looking for at my age...like....Recovery/healing/minor strength gains......

yes you can but you would benifit alot more with test imo ,there shouldent be any problems as long as you pan you pct right ,you say you want to run gh for 12 months ?

you will have to work out how to cram in mabe 3/4 8 week cycles of var in there.

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

yes you can but you would benifit alot more with test imo ,there shouldent be any problems as long as you pan you pct right ,you say you want to run gh for 12 months ?

you will have to work out how to cram in mabe 3/4 8 week cycles of var in there.

Ok...well what is the difference between test and Anavar in terms of effects and results.

Isn't Anavar best for recovery/fatloss?

Isn't most kinds of test harder on the HPTA than Anavar?

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 04:57 PM

ok anavar is alot less anabolic than test for a start ,you are correct about it being less harsh on the hpta ,as for the fat loss that comes down to diet and cardio ,lets say you done this

8 weeks of anavar at 70mgs per day - say 5-7lbs lean gains and maybe 1% drop in body fat with the right diet

8 weeks of test prop at 150mgs per day - say 12-13lbs lean gains and maybe 1% drop in body fat

am not sayng that the above is ttoaly correct but it is showin that the test is alot more anabolic and wih the correct pct you can recover no problems ,remeber its all down to diet/training and rest,pct ,combine all them in the right manner and you will have great gains.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 04:59 PM

anavar at 70 mg is gonna shut him down almost as hard as test, thus his HPTA is going to be damaged for 26 weeks. thats why i dont recommend him to be on gear for so long.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

anavar at 70 mg is gonna shut him down almost as hard as test, thus his HPTA is going to be damaged for 26 weeks. thats why i dont recommend him to be on gear for so long.

well thats the bad side about useing aas and thats why its key to get the right pct ,70mgs of var is normal dose imo.

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

ok anavar is alot less anabolic than test for a start ,you are correct about it being less harsh on the hpta ,as for the fat loss that comes down to diet and cardio ,lets say you done this

8 weeks of anavar at 70mgs per day - say 5-7lbs lean gains and maybe 1% drop in body fat with the right diet

8 weeks of test prop at 150mgs per day - say 12-13lbs lean gains and maybe 1% drop in body fat

am not sayng that the above is ttoaly correct but it is showin that the test is alot more anabolic and wih the correct pct you can recover no problems ,remeber its all down to diet/training and rest,pct ,combine all them in the right manner and you will have great gains.

Ok thanks for explaining it to me. Now I understand.

**fossilfuel7** · 03-18-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

anavar at 70 mg is gonna shut him down almost as hard as test, thus his HPTA is going to be damaged for 26 weeks. thats why i dont recommend him to be on gear for so long.

Wow..I didn't think 70mg of var for 8-12 weeks would shut me down for that long even with pct??

I'll be back later.. gotta leave...thanks for the help guys.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

well thats the bad side about useing aas and thats why its key to get the right pct ,70mgs of var is normal dose imo.

its a normal dose, but 70 anavar , then test, then anavar is 26 weeks shutdown= major risk of him not recovering fully, even with a solid PCT.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by fossilfuel7

Wow..I didn't think 70mg of var for 8-12 weeks would shut me down for that long even with pct??

I'll be back later.. gotta leave...thanks for the help guys.

you'll recover easier from anavar than from test. your hpta will be supressed to like 70-80% from anavar vs 100% from test, but it still a major shutdown and if you stay on gear for too long, you risk permanent testicular atrophy.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

its a normal dose, but 70 anavar, then test, then anavar is 26 weeks shutdown= major risk of him not recovering fully, even with a solid PCT.

weeks 1-8 70mgs anavar per week

weeks 8-24 300/400mgs test per week (14 WEEKS TEST)

weeks 18-26 70mgs anavar per week ( 10 WEEK BREAK FROM WHEN HE LAST FINISHED HIS 8 WEEK KICK START OF VAR)

now imo 12 weeks of deca would have alot more worse effect on the hpta thatn that abouve cycle.

**Exilus** · 03-18-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

weeks 1-8 70mgs anavar per week

weeks 8-24 300/400mgs test per week (14 WEEKS TEST)

weeks 18-26 70mgs anavar per week ( 10 WEEK BREAK FROM WHEN HE LAST FINISHED HIS 8 WEEK KICK START OF VAR)

now imo 12 weeks of deca would have alot more worse effect on the hpta thatn that abouve cycle.

The cycle you are proposing allows his liver to have a break from the anavar, but how about his HPTA? its going to be slowed/shutdown for 26 weeks....his HPTA will not recover when he swap from anavar quickstart to test...Studies proven that permanent hpta damage is directly linked to the TIME on AAS, not type or quantity used.

**mad dogs** · 03-18-2010, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Exilus

The cycle you are proposing allows his liver to have a break from the anavar, but how about his HPTA? its going to be slowed/shutdown for 26 weeks....his HPTA will not recover when he swap from anavar quickstart to test...Studies proven that permanent hpta damage is directly linked to the TIME on AAS, not type or quantity used.

studies show that dammage is linked to time on aas? oh right ,thats why i have seen studies that show nandrolone decante can shut down hpta from just one single 200mg injection ,anyway am sure the op has seen alot of info here so lets quit the bitching for the sake of his thread 0 good to hear your comments tho man

**fossilfuel7** · 03-19-2010, 04:06 AM

I appreciate the help guys. I now have a much better better understanding of what to expect.

Anavar has been touted as a good steroid for healing by some....do you think it is better in that regard than Test??....I know Test is more Anabolic ..so then what makes Anavar better for healing?

Is it something to do with Anavar raising your natty GH levels alot??...I dunno

**dec11** · 03-19-2010, 03:17 PM

oh dear, more noobs giving 'advice' mad dogs, you are incorrect in alot of ways

**fossilfuel7** · 03-20-2010, 12:04 AM

bump

**fossilfuel7** · 03-22-2010, 05:07 PM

Bump

**Deen54** · 03-22-2010, 08:24 PM

i am on GH , var and test C as we speak.

I take 5 IU every 3 days so 10 IU in 6 days
I take var at 40mg per day
I take testC at 250mg per week

i am making good quality gains..the first week my body seemed taxed..kinda
hot..but no it's adjusted.

I shot the GH then started the var in the morning..later that week injected the test.

I think var will shut you down..the test seems to save you from this.
I didn't want the test in the beginning but it will improve your mood and energy
so will the gh.. The var gives a good pump..i find it more difficult to eat on var. The test will help to offset that.

when you use these compounds smartly..you get a synergistic effect. They work well together and IMO eases your side effects. As long as you don't
abuse and go to high.

Nothing wrong will taking the slow long route..test, gh and var all great at burning fat. I'm only 150 lbs 5 , 6 but i got a belly and it is getting rid of that
now my muscles are appearing with the fat burning away.

**hankdiesel** · 03-22-2010, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by fossilfuel7

Guys I will be staying on GH for at least a year.

I like Anavar because it is easiest on liver and HPTA(supposedly).

I wouldn't want to stay on a roid cycle for longer than 12 weeks at a time because I don't want to destroy my natty test levels.

I dunno...maybe I'm speaking out of place here because I have no cycle experience.

I have always heard that once you start screwing with roids that your natty test levels will never be the same and even with pct they won't always come back.

Maybe you should start by not constantly refering to them as "roids".

**fossilfuel7** · 03-22-2010, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Deen54

i am on GH , var and test C as we speak.

I take 5 IU every 3 days so 10 IU in 6 days
I take var at 40mg per day
I take testC at 250mg per week

i am making good quality gains..the first week my body seemed taxed..kinda
hot..but no it's adjusted.

I shot the GH then started the var in the morning..later that week injected the test.

I think var will shut you down..the test seems to save you from this.
I didn't want the test in the beginning but it will improve your mood and energy
so will the gh.. The var gives a good pump..i find it more difficult to eat on var. The test will help to offset that.

when you use these compounds smartly..you get a synergistic effect. They work well together and IMO eases your side effects. As long as you don't
abuse and go to high.

Nothing wrong will taking the slow long route..test, gh and var all great at burning fat. I'm only 150 lbs 5 , 6 but i got a belly and it is getting rid of that
now my muscles are appearing with the fat burning away.

I like the doses you are going with. I dunno some people seem to have different opinions about which one shuts you down more than the other but, most agree that both are going to shut you down no matter what.

I think the info sticky says that Var is the easiest on your HPTA...I found that appealing.

Thanks for posting your cycle.

**fossilfuel7** · 03-22-2010, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Maybe you should start by not constantly refering to them as "roids".

Maybe you could start by actually contributing to the discussion.

**ftp** · 03-22-2010, 11:55 PM

you do NOT need test with your cycle. this is false bullshit that gets spewed over the internet. not a bodybuilder? you dont need test lol!!!!!!!! dont listen to the parrots. they are killing their bodies, being hermits and have no life.. why take advice from ppl like this? trust me you can LOOK great, FEEL great, and most of all be healthy with an anavar //hgh cycle.. trust me..

**ftp** · 03-22-2010, 11:57 PM

also anavar will yield much more fat loss than test even without a great diet. dont listen to the fools. trust me on this. of course a great diet will yield better results.... but you will see fat loss from anavar..

**messmorph** · 03-23-2010, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Deen54

i am on GH , var and test C as we speak.

I take 5 IU every 3 days so 10 IU in 6 days
I take var at 40mg per day
I take testC at 250mg per week

i am making good quality gains..the first week my body seemed taxed..kinda
hot..but no it's adjusted.

I shot the GH then started the var in the morning..later that week injected the test.

I think var will shut you down..the test seems to save you from this.
I didn't want the test in the beginning but it will improve your mood and energy
so will the gh.. The var gives a good pump..i find it more difficult to eat on var. The test will help to offset that.

when you use these compounds smartly..you get a synergistic effect. They work well together and IMO eases your side effects. As long as you don't
abuse and go to high.

Nothing wrong will taking the slow long route..test, gh and var all great at burning fat. I'm only 150 lbs 5 , 6 but i got a belly and it is getting rid of that
now my muscles are appearing with the fat burning away.

How old are you mate? How long you been on the HGH? I read fat loss. What about strength? Any effect on sex drive, well being, aging etc?

I ask as I was looking at doing near identical cycle :-)

**lovbyts** · 03-23-2010, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by ftp

you do NOT need test with your cycle. this is false bullshit that gets spewed over the internet. not a bodybuilder? you dont need test lol!!!!!!!! dont listen to the parrots. they are killing their bodies, being hermits and have no life.. why take advice from ppl like this? trust me you can LOOK great, FEEL great, and most of all be healthy with an anavar//hgh cycle.. trust me..

Im willing to bet you will be short lived here since you seem to disagree with 90%+ of the members here and are on your own agenda. Trying to get you user count up so you can send PMs and start selling? Dont worry, already been reported.

Anvar does supress your natural test. Not as much as many/most others but it still does. Do you HAVE to run test with it? Maybe not, everyone is different but Test is considered the base for most all cycles on this board/forum.

If you dont agree with that you are free to go elsewhere and get other advise/opinions.

**Shadman05** · 03-23-2010, 12:37 AM

U must get some cheap anavar :-p

**ftp** · 03-23-2010, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Im willing to bet you will be short lived here since you seem to disagree with 90%+ of the members here and are on your own agenda. Trying to get you user count up so you can send PMs and start selling? Dont worry, already been reported.

Anvar does supress your natural test. Not as much as many/most others but it still does. Do you HAVE to run test with it? Maybe not, everyone is different but Test is considered the base for most all cycles on this board/forum.

If you dont agree with that you are free to go elsewhere and get other advise/opinions.

get off my nuts man!!!! i have been here longer than you. if you think hard you will understand what i mean- but i am sure you wont.. lol a supplier? if i was a supplier i would tell ppl to take everything possible you tool.

face it- you are the parrot who just copies and pastes everything he reads and the hermit who brings his tuna out to a club. get real and get a life. grow up. i talk from real first hand experience.

and im not being banned or going anyhere twerp. i did nothing wrong and solicited nobody... i gave opinions and offered real advice... why am i wrong???? bc i said you dont have to run test..... get the **** out of here you small puppy.. man i bet you dont weigh over 200lbs and you talk a big game...

**lovbyts** · 03-23-2010, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by ftp

get off my nuts man!!!! i have been here longer than you. if you think hard you will understand what i mean- but i am sure you wont.. lol a supplier? if i was a supplier i would tell ppl to take everything possible you tool.

face it- you are the parrot who just copies and pastes everything he reads and the hermit who brings his tuna out to a club. get real and get a life. grow up. i talk from real first hand experience.

and im not being banned or going anyhere twerp. i did nothing wrong and solicited nobody... i gave opinions and offered real advice... why am i wrong???? bc i said you dont have to run test..... get the **** out of here you small puppy.. man i bet you dont weigh over 200lbs and you talk a big game...

Been here longer than me? Why the low user count? Ohhhh yeah maybe you where BANNED

Hmmm I wonder why

Real live? how are are you?, 19, 25, 30? LOL Punk little kid. Call me when you are over 40 and we will talk about real life experiences

**ftp** · 03-23-2010, 12:50 AM

buddy- one word of advice: find a girl friend and get off the computer. are you really trying to brag about higher post counts over an online forum? wow. man oh man. hahaha i feel bad for your parents. damn dude. get out of the house lol