a little help plz?

[chalkmyster1]

i am currently running a cycle of tri tren and winny was goin to run it for 8 weeks but only got enuf winny for 4 which is not a bad thing as im wanting to change the winny for test(which i probly should of used to start with instead) will i be ok running the tren a winny for 4 weeks then changing to tren and test for the last 4? also what do you guys think is best for pct and when should i start running it?(this is my first cycle in a few years so still a bit of a novice and as far as i can remember i dont think i really ran my pct properly and i am wanting to this time so any help will be much appreciated)

[CanYouDigIt]

what's your stats?

[chalkmyster1]

age 25
6 ft 1
16 stone
bodyfat a little high at 19%

[CanYouDigIt]

well tren is pretty harsh, and basicly if your not gonna use test, well your kinda going against all the recommendations from this site,

basicly if you wanna run that cycle you would run test e or prop, for 1-8 weeks, tren 1-7 but this isn't very long for tren, and you'd go with winny for last 4 weeks of your cycle.

then you would run a pct nolva+clomid / and I'd have caber on hand incase your tren decided to bump up your prolactin or wutever its called.

[the big 1]

well tren is pretty harsh, and basicly if your not gonna use test, well your kinda going against all the recommendations from this site,

basicly if you wanna run that cycle you would run test e or prop, for 1-8 weeks, tren 1-7 but this isn't very long for tren, and you'd go with winny for last 4 weeks of your cycle.

then you would run a pct nolva+clomid / and I'd have caber on hand incase your tren decided to bump up your prolactin or wutever its called.

Hcg would also be a good addition to this for any shrinkage downstairs.

[chalkmyster1]

thanks for the info i have been on the cycle for 2 weeks so only another 2 weeks of the winny then i will change it to test with me making this change do you think i will need then need to run the tren and test for longer than the last 4 weeks? also when should i start pct and how long for? thanks

[CanYouDigIt]

Ok, well the problem is your not suppose to do winny alone, your cycle is all messed up, so here is what you need to do, either start your pct once your done with your winny,

or

Start injecting test for 1-8 weeks from here on, and forget about the tren for now because your already lacking in building a cycle.

with just test running at 500mg per week you'll make very good gains, and if its test E you would run it for 12 weeks, if its test prop i'd go with 8 weeks. but this is just my oppinion.

you would start your pct, 1-2 weeks post last pin, depending on what test your doing, your pct would be for 4 weeks, of nolva/clomid.

and if your doing "winny for 4 weeks then gonna go into pct" I don't know how long it stays in your system, I think it's like 8-12 hours, so you can start your pct 1-2 days after your last time you took it.

[chalkmyster1]

thanks for the info its much appreciated, just a few more questions is it not possible for me to just stop the winny but carry on with the tren and add some test my next jab is tomorrow?

[the big 1]

I would stop the whole cycle and start again from scratch personally.

What tren are you running? ace? enth? tri?

winny will do nothing for you, your bf is too high imo.

You dont have a base, the tren is gonna shut you down bad, and possibly shrink you.

What are doing for pct? have you got hcg?

This is a badly planned cycle.

[the big 1]

thanks for the info its much appreciated, just a few more questions is it not possible for me to just stop the winny but carry on with the tren and add some test my next jab is tomorrow?

Yes, this would be the best idea, what you gonna run them both at?

[chalkmyster1]

i am using tri tren,for pct i was just going to go on what i have just been told (nolva and clomid) what would you consider a good cycle for me i currently have at hand 20 ml of winstrol 30 ml of test e 20 ml of tri tren and 400 iu of **********(blue tops, can get a lot more if needed) i listen to advice very seriosly and would be gratefull if someone could put me a cycle together looking to get some lean gains with not too much water retention and maybe strip down a bit?thanks

[chalkmyster1]

sorry for naming the growth

[CanYouDigIt]

1-12w test - E 500mg weekly
8-12w winny - 50mg I think it is
1-11w tren - keep it around 500mg per week(but tren has many sides if you never used it, and TREN - A is better to use for first time use) *if it is I'd stick to 5-11 week for tren* (just to test it out see if you get any sides)
hcg 250IU 2x a week

2weeks after last inj nolva 40/20/20/20 / clomid 100/50/50/50
caber incase of prolactin level go up
A-dex on hand for water bloat

but if this is your first cycle I'd stick with

test - e 1-12 weeks
winny 8-12 50mg
hcg 250iu x 2 per week

nolva / clomid pct.

my 2 cents, don't know your cycle experienced thought.

[chalkmyster1]

thanks for the info mate think i will go with the test and winny i have done a previos cycle of deca and sust but that was about 4 years ago, how many ml of each a week do you think would be best and on what days? also the 250 iu a week is confusing me do you mean hgh or hcg? because it is hgh what i have got,thanks

[CanYouDigIt]

HCG is to keep your balls there normal size, (I don't know much about HGH sorry)

and test is 250mg x2 per week so monday , thursday night injections (I'd go with test - e ) for your first time way less injections. (for 12 weeks it will take 3 bottles of 10ml)

and your not forced to use HCG, alot of people don't just I like to keep em up to size.

[chalkmyster1]

thanks mate this info has been really helpfull,still a bit confused on a 1 or 2 things firstly with the test does 250 mg =2.5 ml and when i start the winny on the last 4 weeks how much and what days should i jab it?its the oil based winny if that makes a difference? also when would i start pct(nolva and clomid)? sorry if i am asking too many questions just want to make sure i am gettin it right

[CanYouDigIt]

normaly 250mg = 1CC = 1 ML, but it all depends what kind of test you get, they will tell you when you get it, or it says on bottle. (normaly it says 250mg/1ML on bottle or 200mg/1ML) ect..

and yes winny is Ed injecting.. which imo is a pain.

and your pct is 2 weeks after your last test injection. (and your pct will last for 4 weeks)

[chalkmyster1]

thanks a lot for the all the help mate really cleared up all the things i needed to no cant wait to start my first real cycle

[CanYouDigIt]

no problem, and gl.