PCGL Info Anyone?

[Bella67]

Okay... first off I am a chick. I am 42, 151 lbs. and 18% bf. I'm looking to get into the 8-12% bf range to compete later in the year. I like the fat burning effect that pgcl has but one of the side effects it totally killer.

I have been taking 50 mcgs total-two shots of 25 mcgs injected subq in area of muscle to be worked later in the day or the following day.

One of the issues, besides having the sh**ts (which I can handle) is the constant cramping. And in speaking with my husband, he says they're not in the right spot. It's not intestinal cramping. The last time I did the shots, the cramping lasted all day.

Do I need to lower my dosage, go slightly higher. Anyone? Anyone?

Thx - Bella

P.S. I haven't had very much luck in the female forum so I decided to ask the guys and maybe one of you might have some insight into what's what.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

It can cause some major damage to females reproductive organs so that may be the pain you where feeling rather than the regular cramping. Prostiglandins are used to abort fetisis or induce labour so it can cause females some server problems. Personally I would not recommend it for a woman.

[Bella67]

BGs21-thanks for the information.

Wat types of damage to the reproductive organs? I do not plan on having any more children (tubal)...

Thanks!
Bella

[BIG_GUNS_21]

It can cause extream cramping in the reproductive organs as well as causing sterility. But I have not throughly researched it for females...There may be more so I would take a close look if I where you just to be sure there are no other perminent sides that you are not expecting.

[George]

i had a nice log on it a while back
here
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=pgcl

[Bella67]

Thanks again BGs21. I have tried to do more research with actual "live" female but the concensus is that mostly males are using. I may be the only female...yay me =/

@Drizztix - yeah bro. I've read your log. Good stuff. Very informative but again based on male usage.

Thanks again y'all
Bella

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Yeah I think its cause of the side effects on females that you will not find a lot on the topic. I have used it as well and personally didnt get much of any sides other than sweating and a little cramping. Tons of fat loss...INSANE pumps. But now its a hard thing to get in Canada.

Another thing you may want to look at that I have used (personally will never use again cause I built up an alergy to it, and ended up in the ER not breathing) is DNP. Same kind of fat loss but might be a better fit for a woman.

[George]

Thanks again BGs21. I have tried to do more research with actual "live" female but the concensus is that mostly males are using. I may be the only female...yay me =/

@Drizztix - yeah bro. I've read your log. Good stuff. Very informative but again based on male usage.

Thanks again y'all
Bella

actually my friend pinki used it.. n'had great success w/ it.. she was an avid competitor and fitness model and she would do it subQ in her lower glutes.. she did 25mcg each side 2-3x a day. she also stated that the sides are not so much systemic but more localized.. i.e. the further you inject from your abdominal region the less painful the cramps will be..

also an empty stomach is imperative.. having large amounts of fluids in your stomach is also a no no..

[Bella67]

Another thing you may want to look at that I have used (personally will never use again cause I built up an alergy to it, and ended up in the ER not breathing) is DNP. Same kind of fat loss but might be a better fit for a woman.

--I've done a little bit of research, may do but from what I'm reading...its a big "if"

[Bella67]

actually my friend pinki used it.. n'had great success w/ it.. she was an avid competitor and fitness model and she would do it subQ in her lower glutes.. she did 25mcg each side 2-3x a day. she also stated that the sides are not so much systemic but more localized.. i.e. the further you inject from your abdominal region the less painful the cramps will be..

also an empty stomach is imperative.. having large amounts of fluids in your stomach is also a no no..

--I've basically done abdominal subq. I think the worst was when I did pec subq as far as the cramping is concerned. I will try further from "the region" and see how it goes. Seemingly, anything from the waist up should be a no fly zone..

I've experienced no problems with drinking liquids or maybe have eaten one hour before. I'm on empty and the cramping just keeps going and going...

I do like the stuff. Pumps like you said are amazing! My vascularity is insane...
Fat burn is pretty good.

[Schmidty]

omg i would nvr give pgcl to a female!!! idk what kind of side effects it would have as used to induce labor in cows

[Bella67]

omg i would nvr give pgcl to a female!!! idk what kind of side effects it would have as used to induce labor in cows

Yeah Schmidty-and that wat the cramps felt like...I was having a cow...LMFAO

[N2Deep]

Just dont inject into your boobs it will make them go bye bye!!!!

[N2Deep]

Your location should be on your husbands D**k!

[Schmidty]

Yeah Schmidty-and that wat the cramps felt like...I was having a cow...LMFAO

for real becareful with that stuck it is a crazy ass drug and its side effects are not very well known as its fairly new. I love pgcl i can get contest ready in 6wks with it but my god those 6wks are not enjoyable. lol i hope u invested in wet wipes already

[Bella67]

Well...I'm gonna try inject further away from the abodominal region and see how it is from there.

Thanks for all ur comments <3
Bella

[Bella67]

for real becareful with that stuck it is a crazy ass drug and its side effects are not very well known as its fairly new. I love pgcl i can get contest ready in 6wks with it but my god those 6wks are not enjoyable. lol i hope u invested in wet wipes already

I will be careful. And no..this stuff is not fun =(...wet wipes were the SECOND purchase after the pgcl =)

[taiboxa]

--I've basically done abdominal subq. I think the worst was when I did pec subq as far as the cramping is concerned. I will try further from "the region" and see how it goes. Seemingly, anything from the waist up should be a no fly zone..

I've experienced no problems with drinking liquids or maybe have eaten one hour before. I'm on empty and the cramping just keeps going and going...

I do like the stuff. Pumps like you said are amazing! My vascularity is insane...
Fat burn is pretty good.

well like i said she worked her way up to to 25mcg multiple times a day bilaterally.. but what i would suggest is finding your threshold.. start w/ 5-10mcg for each side.. see how the cramps are.. then raise it 2.5mcg per side until the sides are in that "OMFG" state that your talking about then drop it back down and administer it multiple times in smaller doses rather than how you have been

omg i would nvr give pgcl to a female!!! idk what kind of side effects it would have as used to induce labor in cows

this is true the cramps are far more painful for females than males..

[Bella67]

Your location should be on your husbands D**k!

milkawaaaaaaat?!?!

[Schmidty]

i noticed that my sides were not as bad when i would inject more areas like 50mcg but spread it through bis tris delts pecs abs

[Schmidty]

Your location should be on your husbands D**k!

u r a piece of sh!t

[Bella67]

well like i said she worked her way up to to 25mcg multiple times a day bilaterally.. but what i would suggest is finding your threshold.. start w/ 5-10mcg for each side.. see how the cramps are.. then raise it 2.5mcg per side until the sides are in that "OMFG" state that your talking about then drop it back down and administer it multiple times in smaller doses rather than how you have been




this is true the cramps are far more painful for females than males..

I'll try that...not that I haven't thought of it I just wanted to minimize my injections. But..if I can avoid the "OMFG" state most of the time, I'll be cool.

[Bella67]

u r a piece of sh!t

Chill Schnmidty...that is my husband. He's not a piece of shit but a bit of a ritard... NOT!

[Bella67]

Your location should be on your husbands D**k!

Needless to say, I won't be THERE anytime soon

[Schmidty]

Needless to say, I won't be THERE anytime soon