Clen/Winnie

[newbiez]

Hey guys,
So i havn't been on this forum in 1yr since my last cycle and need some advice.
Last year about this time I did a Sust/Deca cycle. I didnt get all the results i wanted b/c my bodyfat was higher than it should have been.
Ive been working out on an off for 4yrs. Hard these past 2yrs.
I am currently on a low/no carb diet eating very lean and health.
Im 6'4 220lb im going to get my bodayfat checked again before i start the winnie its prob somewhere around 15-18.
I am about to start clen at 80 mcg's for 50 days followed by Winnie
Stanoplex 50 at 100mg a day for 40 days
My questions are as follows:
1. What kind of side effects will i feel from 80 mcg's of clen a day? And what is the best schedule for full effect?
2. Can I take the winne by its self for I really don't want to do test as of right now.

I am really just wanting to be ripped for the summer and put a little more size on. I already have size and not looking to get that much bigger just want to lose weight and get cut. My gear is already on the way and just would like a little feed back.
Thanks

[G4R]

Unless you have relativly low BF, the winny will be pointless, it wont show much cut, and it doesnt burn fat.

As for the Clen, there is this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

[newbiez]

I was thinkin of waiting till my BF was around 10-13% b4 getting on the winny what do you think?

[G4R]

Try to be in the 10% area first

[newbiez]

Thank you for the link to the clen. does it matter where my BF is when i start that? How much BF do you think i can shread with it? (including a strict low carb lean diet and alot of cardio daily)

[G4R]

I would try and cut as much as possible with a good cutting diet first, when and if you get to a point where the weight isnt coming off, then think about using the clen. It wont just melt away pounds, you need to at least get a decent base going first.