1st cycle - need's critiquing

**gbrice75** · 03-24-2010, 08:43 AM

I am putting this cycle together for later this year. Goal is to gain as much lean mass and as little bodyfat as possible. I have done a ton of research, but often find that research leads to further questions and/or confusion. Please let me know what you think about this for a beginner/1st time cycle:

Age: 34
Height: 5'11
Weight: 180
TDEE: 2500
Daily Calories: 3000 - 40/40/20 split, very very clean

Weeks 1-12 - 500mg/week Test E
Weeks 1-4 - 30mg/day Dianabol (liquid form)
Weeks 1-4 - 1mg/day Arimidex or Liquidex
Weeks 5-12 - .5mg/day Arimidex or Liquidex
Week 13 - OFF
Weeks 14-17 (PCT) - .25g/day Arimidex or Liquidex
Weeks 14-18 (PCT) - Clomid (starting at 200mg/day, tapering each week 100mg/day, 50mg/day, 25mg/day, 25mg/day)

This is a pretty generic beginner's cycle that I found. I was thinking about changing it up a bit and taking out the Arimidex/Liquidex for PCT and replacing with Nolvadex - what do you think? Any other changes that I should make? Any obvious red flags? Thanks in advance for your help!

**redz** · 03-24-2010, 08:45 AM

1mg of adex a day is over kill, start at .25mg eod and increase the dose if needed.

**mgs83** · 03-24-2010, 08:51 AM

that looks like a pretty decent cycle to gain size and keep the BF down. One thing, have you considered doing an HCG cycle at all, typically in the last 4 weeks of cycle to aid in the recovery of your test levels post cycle? Also, it will keep your tesicles normalized while on. Just a suggestion. The a-dex and clomid are a good PCT, i wouldnt get rid of them or substitute them, but i would however replace the a-dex in PCT with nolva, nolva is a SERM, which you want in PCT, adex is an AI estrogen blocker, and would be of better use while on cycle as you seem to be taking it now. Normally, a typical dosage is 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/25/25 (as you already have down)

I am not a Pro here, so i am sure more advanced guys can help more, those are my thought though. Gluck

**mgs83** · 03-24-2010, 08:53 AM

true, 1mg is much, sometimes you dont even need it, but .25 EOD is a good bet to start with, and as REDZ suggested, if you need more due to gyno signs appearing, then increase to .50 but dont go over 1mg, from what i have read, 1mg is the make, if all else fails try nolva or letro

**gbrice75** · 03-24-2010, 09:42 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys. So, I will cut the Adex (is Liquidex ok instead?) down to .25/day and monitor for signs of gyno and/or water retention, and up the dosage if necessary. Forgive my ignorance - but EOD = End of Day?

I will drop the Adex/Ldex PCT and add Nolvadex .

I haven't researched HGC at all, but will do so now. Thank you guys!

**dec11** · 03-24-2010, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Thanks for the feedback guys. So, I will cut the Adex (is Liquidex ok instead?) down to .25/day and monitor for signs of gyno and/or water retention, and up the dosage if necessary. Forgive my ignorance - but EOD = End of Day?

I will drop the Adex/Ldex PCT and add Nolvadex .

I haven't researched HGC at all, but will do so now. Thank you guys!

every other day mate.

dont use the adex unless you need it, and start showing symptoms

**gbrice75** · 03-24-2010, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by declan11

every other day mate.

dont use the adex unless you need it, and start showing symptoms

LoL, thank you - kind of an important distinction!

**dec11** · 03-24-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

LoL, thank you - kind of an important distinction!

no prob.
ever so slightly different lol

**inky-e** · 03-24-2010, 06:32 PM

I only use adex as needed...I would recommend nolva 20mg's eod during cycle instead...thats just my preferance.

**gbrice75** · 03-25-2010, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by inky-e

I only use adex as needed...I would recommend nolva 20mg's eod during cycle instead...thats just my preferance.

I've always read that Nolva is best saved for PCT, whereas A-dex or L-dex is better on cycle as they are both AI's. What would be the benefit of using Nolva on cycle? Not arguing, just curious to learn all I can.