Kickstarting: Dbol Vs. Prop

[JasonT]

Trying to decide which is "better" for say a Test e cycle...


So far, this is what i've gathered, please correct me if i'm wrong:

Dbol Pros

- Kicks in within first week
- Quick strength/size gains

Dbol Cons

- Bloat/Water retention
- Liver stress

Prop Pros

- Injectable (i.e. no liver stress)
- Can also be used at end of a test e cycle while waiting for esther to clear

Prop Cons

- Pain
- Injection Frequency
- Kicks in within 2nd week (a week longer than dbol )


Any other factors i'm overlooking? Any suggestions?

[JasonT]

bump...also, if taking dbol , what liver supplement is recommended?

[2jz_calgary]

milk thistle and or liv 52. just stick wih dbol and use prop near end if wanted.

[JasonT]

milk thistle and or liv 52. just stick wih dbol and use prop near end if wanted.

thanks man....have you heard of arr's udca?

[Mooseman33]

use prop the whole cycle....
fvk all this kickstart shit....

u can inject eod.

[JasonT]

use prop the whole cycle....
fvk all this kickstart shit....

u can inject eod.

I was originally planning on doing something like that, but more recently have been leaning toward the standard beginner cycle (test e 1-12/dbol 1-4).

Once I get more comfortable with pinning, i'll do a prop cycle and inject ed.

[marcus300]

If you haven't use either as a kickstart, just pick one and see how you go, alot of us will have our own opinions on which one works better for us but you need to find out for youself, try one this cycle and try the other again.

[Hard.On]

^^^ Yep
experimentation on yourself is the only way to know for sure.

[JasonT]

If you haven't use either as a kickstart, just pick one and see how you go, alot of us will have our own opinions on which one works better for us but you need to find out for youself, try one this cycle and try the other again.

^^^ Yep
experimentation on yourself is the only way to know for sure.

will do, thanks

[2jz_calgary]

yes ive heard of udca seems pretty good however expensive. If this is your first kickstart and you have a healthy liver id say just stick to milk thistle. And for people who say dont waste your time on orals, my first kickstart i gained about 17lbs from dbol , and kept a fair amount of it (yes i did test with it)

[inky-e]

Ive done both...personally prop would be the way I'd go.....and as far as the painful shots...it depends on the lab....I used to use a lab that was basically unbearable to shoot....but now thats a thing of the past....you find some really smooth prop now-adays....