AR-R Clen vs. Albut

[Arian]

I was just reading the awesome FAQ on Clen and so I checked out the offerings on AR-R. I looked at all their thermogenics and they seem to say that albuterol is good for losing fat but also good at muscle building. I have been training for years and have been researching aas for a while now. After reading everyone talking about how you should have as low of a BF as possible before starting a cycle, I figure it might be good to try something like this first. Would albuterol be better than clen to lose some fat and still gain muscle? And if so, what kind of amounts should I take? Sorry if I sound uninformed, just trying to get as much info beforetime as possible. BTW, I'm not sure exactly what my BF is, but I would guess mid teens. I'll try to post a pick on my avatar soon. Just need new pics. Thanks guys.

[redz]

You won`t burn fat and gain muscle on clen or albuterol.

[Arian]

So I won't burn fat AND gain muscle or I won't burn fat OR gain muscle? Are you saying they don't work at all or that if I take either one, I'll lose fat but at the expense of muscle?

[redz]

You will not gain muscle, you may burn fat but you may also burn some muscle too.

[Walnutz]

Albuterol and clenbuterol is for fat loss. You will lose fat as long as your diet and exercise are in check.

[Arian]

Okay, that's what I thought at first from the FAQ I read about Clen. But then on AR-R's website, they talk about Albuterol being good for strength and size gains, so I thought I'd ask. As I said, everyone keeps talking about getting your BF down as much as possible before getting on AAS, so I figured I'd try this first. Any personal preferences between the two?

[redz]

I have only tried clen and it's not my favourite compound to say the least the sides can be bad.

[tballz]

You will have to decide whether you can stand the sides of clen. Albuterol is more mild and you can run it for longer.

[Arian]

Okay, thanks for the input. Did you not like what it did to you or just the possibilities of the sides? Seems like there have been quite a few people that used it and got good results. But I do want to be as safe as possible.

[redz]

clen sides....

head aches
cramps
difficulty sleeping
brutal shakes and tremors to the point I can't take it if I have to work

The cramps can be over come by taking taurine but the shakes are just too much even at moderate dosing.

[durak]

I think the muscle gain often associated with clen is just losing fat and exposing more muscle / tone.

[Arian]

Albuterol being more mild might be a better choice for me seeing as how this would be my first venture into anything harder than NO-Explode and Hydroxycut. LOL. I might try that. Would I use the Ketotifen with the Albuterol like I would with the Clen?

[durak]

I have taken adderall xr for years and the clen alone still gives me the shakes... in the hands but also arms and shoulders. odd sensation.

[Arian]

Yeah, Durak I know what you mean. I hate how my arms have that little bit of fat between the delt and the bicep. If I push that fat down when flexing, it makes my bicep look 2" bigger. lol

[Arian]

Shakes doesn't exactly sound fun. I can handle some stuff like that if it really works though. But if I could take the albuterol and not get it, I would much prefer that.

[tballz]

Okay, thanks for the input. Did you not like what it did to you or just the possibilities of the sides? Seems like there have been quite a few people that used it and got good results. But I do want to be as safe as possible.

I've ran clenbuterol and the only sides I got is the shakiness.

Make sure to supplement taurine and potassium.

[durak]

So how much shakiness does albuterol give?

[tballz]

So how much shakiness does albuterol give?

You will still get them but not as severe. Well, maybe you won't get them (everyone is different). I still got them but wasn't as nearly as noticeable.

[Arian]

So what would be a good routine for the Albuterol? And do you need to take the Keto with it to go longer than 2 weeks?

[tballz]

Start off with 6mg and see how you react then increase dosage. Some split dosages throughout the day or you can take all at once in the AM. Don't take too late at night it may cause insomnia. I've done 15mg/day and some others have done 18mg/day.

Albuterol can be ran longer than clen. 4-6 weeks. With keto you can prolong that for another 4 weeks or so. Take the keto 1mg/day at night because it makes you sleepy.

[Arian]

Thanks a lot tballz. That is a lot of help. I think I'll try this soon. I was already planning on buying VPX Liquid Clenbutrex or something like that to lose some fat. But I figure that is just the supplement version of actual Clenbuterol, so might as well go with the real stuff. But I think I'll try the Albuterol first.

[MotoLifter]

You won`t burn fat and gain muscle on clen or albuterol.

Clen is also used for its anticatabloc effects while assisting in bunring fat. Many people use it post cycle for the these reasons.


Moto

[tballz]

Thanks a lot tballz. That is a lot of help. I think I'll try this soon. I was already planning on buying VPX Liquid Clenbutrex or something like that to lose some fat. But I figure that is just the supplement version of actual Clenbuterol, so might as well go with the real stuff. But I think I'll try the Albuterol first.

Go with ARR's albuterol. That knock off stuff is junk.

[Arian]

Yeah, I'm getting the feeling that a lot of the stuff out there is junk. Why does all the good stuff have to be illegal?

[tballz]

Albuterol is legal....for research purposes only.

[Arian]

lol, roger that good buddy. I will definitely be purchasing some albuterol and trying it on a gym rat.

[tballz]

Here's a thread from ARR http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423784 it should have a promo code for you to use.

[Arian]

Awesome. Thanks once again.

[Arian]

So any feelings on the SARMs S4? They say it's comparable to Test.

[tballz]

There's a whole section on here about sarms. Some very good logs too.

I would not say it's comparable to Test.

[Arian]

Okay then. To the sarm section I go.

[ferocious bubble]

I was just reading the awesome FAQ on Clen and so I checked out the offerings on AR-R. I looked at all their thermogenics and they seem to say that albuterol is good for losing fat but also good at muscle building. I have been training for years and have been researching aas for a while now. After reading everyone talking about how you should have as low of a BF as possible before starting a cycle, I figure it might be good to try something like this first. Would albuterol be better than clen to lose some fat and still gain muscle? And if so, what kind of amounts should I take? Sorry if I sound uninformed, just trying to get as much info beforetime as possible. BTW, I'm not sure exactly what my BF is, but I would guess mid teens. I'll try to post a pick on my avatar soon. Just need new pics. Thanks guys.

dont listen to redz he thinks he knows everything because he has a home gym.

Clen has the ability to increase your muscle size, but this is a rare situation and not many people will build off of it.

Albut according to some studies done has conclusive evidence to build lean muscle and loose fat at the same time.

Not sure which drug is better for loosing fat, probably clen, but with albut you can build muscle.

[Arian]

I ordered some Albuterol today. Once I get home, I'll start it. So I should be able to just go through the bottle straight right? It comes in 60ml and is 6mg/ml. I figure I'll do 2ml ed split up in the morning and afternoon. That should last me 30 days. And there's nothing else I need to worry about right? Would it be better to do it this way or do more for less time? I'm sure the shipping time isn't too bad from ar-r so if I should do more for longer, I can just order another bottle.

[Arian]

Ummmm... I just read someone in another post talking about ordering from ar-r with a prepaid credit card. Is it bad to use your real name and all that stuff? Did I screw myself????

[sellersis]

Yea dude, you're screwed. DEA will be probably show up at your house!

[toothache]

Ummmm... I just read someone in another post talking about ordering from ar-r with a prepaid credit card. Is it bad to use your real name and all that stuff? Did I screw myself????

The products are legal. Don't worry about it. We all use our real names that's how we get our products.

[tballz]

dont listen to redz he thinks he knows everything because he has a home gym.

Clen has the ability to increase your muscle size, but this is a rare situation and not many people will build off of it.

Albut according to some studies done has conclusive evidence to build lean muscle and loose fat at the same time.

Not sure which drug is better for loosing fat, probably clen, but with albut you can build muscle.

Redz has a lot of accurate knowledge on the subject. What does it matter where a guy lifts?

Clen has been proven to build muscle in cattle but at extremely high doses that would kill a human. So don't use clen or albut to build muscle, you won't accomplish your goals. Clen is an effective fat burner. It has shown some anti-catabolic properties which means it may help you save muscle while losing fat.

btw it's 'lose' not 'loose'

[tballz]

I ordered some Albuterol today. Once I get home, I'll start it. So I should be able to just go through the bottle straight right? It comes in 60ml and is 6mg/ml. I figure I'll do 2ml ed split up in the morning and afternoon. That should last me 30 days. And there's nothing else I need to worry about right? Would it be better to do it this way or do more for less time? I'm sure the shipping time isn't too bad from ar-r so if I should do more for longer, I can just order another bottle.

1ml in the AM and 1ml in the PM should be fine and should last you 30 days as long as you are dosing accurately.

That's how I would do it. You can always increase the dosage and get another bottle if you want to. You may want to consider ketotifen if getting another bottle.

[New2Anabolic]

The shakes and muscle cramps are sometimes quite excrutiating

[tballz]

The shakes and muscle cramps are sometimes quite excrutiating

That's why it's so important to supplement with taurine and potassium when taking either clen or albut.