considering first cycle ever...test prop

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 03:00 PM

howdy guys,
so heres the deal. ive been training/dieting properly for a couple of years now. been making steady...but slow gains (as expected). very seriously considering a basic/short cycle to give me a little boost on my physique goals. please no preaching about hard work and patience, i have been working my ass off for years and not looking for a quick fix, its just at my height (6'3) its going to take a veryyy long time to fill out completely naturally.

anyways ive been thinking about a 6-8 week cycle of test prop with the appropriate support/PCT.

i know theres an inherent risk associated with cycling, and considering my age (21), is there any real risk associated with a short and very basic cycle? considering i would be doing everything by the books. just looking for the opinions of more experienced guys!

**CanYouDigIt** · 03-26-2010, 03:08 PM

what's your weight at 6'3?

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by CanYouDigIt

what's your weight at 6'3?

currently 190 and veryy lean. im sure your going to say just keep bulking, but at the rate i have been gaining its going to take years to see a noticeable difference in my whole body, 20lbs of muscle spread out over a 6'3 frame doesnt look like that much

. i dont consider this an "easy way out", i just want to do a short little cycle while i have my summer off so theres nothing to focus on except bodybuilding and work.

**Mooseman33** · 03-26-2010, 03:33 PM

i love how u guys want advice on ur own terms cause u no you will hear something that u dont want to accept.

truth is u are to young, and skinny. please dont give me the shit about ur height preventing u from gaining weight.
go to the diet section, them guys are the best, give their advice and diet a try for 30-60 days. you will be amazed at how much things change when u eat to grow....
and i know ur going to say u are doing that, well they will show u that u are not..

trust me man, steroids are not the answer for you yet, learn how to grow the correct way, then add the steroids a couple years down the road....

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

i love how u guys want advice on ur own terms cause u no you will hear something that u dont want to accept.

truth is u are to young, and skinny. please dont give me the shit about ur height preventing u from gaining weight.
go to the diet section, them guys are the best, give their advice and diet a try for 30-60 days. you will be amazed at how much things change when u eat to grow....
and i know ur going to say u are doing that, well they will show u that u are not..

trust me man, steroids are not the answer for you yet, learn how to grow the correct way, then add the steroids a couple years down the road....

i appreciate the advice. but diet is not going to speed up muscle gain. i have no interest in gaining 20lbs of weight when only 6 lbs of that is actual muscle. for a natural trainee with moderate exeperience i think the upper limit is something like 2lbs a month if your doing everything perfect. without sounding like the typical meathead/douchebag, i know some guys and have seen quite a few forum members who have done cycles (most were more intense cycles) and came out of them perfectly fine with amazing gains. sorry if i sound kind of confrontational

**Mooseman33** · 03-26-2010, 04:00 PM

sound stupid, not confrontational...

diet will not speed up muscle gain?..
son you have way to much to learn..

i wish you the best in whatever choices you make....im done here.

**JasonT** · 03-26-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by sixey

i appreciate the advice. but diet is not going to speed up muscle gain.

lolwut?

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

sound stupid, not confrontational...

diet will not speed up muscle gain?..
son you have way to much to learn..

i wish you the best in whatever choices you make....im done here.

Originally Posted by JasonT

lolwut?

if your eating sufficient calories over maitenance, generally 500-700+, your going to gain muscle. eating 1500 calories over and gaining weight faster is not going to equate to more muscle gain. i hope you guys understand that eating more than necessary is not going to magically speed up muscle gains. unless you intend on getting fat, eating an excess WITHIN REASON is the best way to ensure muscle gain.

hence the reason to cylce in the first place. your body can only synthesize so much muscle in so much time, overkill on food or training is not going to speed up a natural process

**JasonT** · 03-26-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by sixey

if your eating sufficient calories over maitenance, generally 500-700+, your going to gain muscle. eating 1500 calories over and gaining weight faster is not going to equate to more muscle gain. i hope you guys understand that eating more than necessary is not going to magically speed up muscle gains. unless you intend on getting fat, eating an excess WITHIN REASON is the best way to ensure muscle gain.

hence the reason to cylce in the first place. your body can only synthesize so much muscle in so much time, overkill on food or training is not going to speed up a natural process

Have you approached your genetic limit or are you looking for a shortcut?

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by JasonT

Have you approached your genetic limit or are you looking for a shortcut?

i dont think i have reached my full potential yet. and if you want to put it that way then yes, i am looking for a way to gain muscle just a bit quicker than continuing all natural.

**JasonT** · 03-26-2010, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by sixey

i dont think i have reached my full potential yet. and if you want to put it that way then yes, i am looking for a way to gain muscle just a bit quicker than continuing all natural.

Whatever you do is obviously up to you, but the better of a base you build, the more advantageous aas will be for you. Also, your tendons will be stronger and you will be less injury prone. You want to get the most out of what you take, especially considering the different toxicities.

**sixey** · 03-26-2010, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by JasonT

Whatever you do is obviously up to you, but the better of a base you build, the more advantageous aas will be for you. Also, your tendons will be stronger and you will be less injury prone. You want to get the most out of what you take, especially considering the different toxicities.

as far as "getting the most out of it", i think for my first cycle (assuming i actually do it) i dont want to go crazy with different compounds, etc, etc. i figure a nice safe dose of just test will give good gains and basically no sides as long as everything else is in check.

i know some people advocate an all out anabolic blitzkreig for your first cycle because there is the belief you experience the most/best gains during this time. however i much prefer to take the safer/veryy slow route and ease into this. im in no hurry.

**JasonT** · 03-26-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by sixey

as far as "getting the most out of it", i think for my first cycle (assuming i actually do it) i dont want to go crazy with different compounds, etc, etc. i figure a nice safe dose of just test will give good gains and basically no sides as long as everything else is in check.

i know some people advocate an all out anabolic blitzkreig for your first cycle because there is the belief you experience the most/best gains during this time. however i much prefer to take the safer/veryy slow route and ease into this. im in no hurry.

what i meant by that was that even on a test only cycle, you want to get the most out of it.

**Bossman** · 03-26-2010, 05:07 PM

A first cycle of test prop is a big mistake. You have to pin at lease EOD and prop is one of the most painful things to inject.

"i know some people advocate an all out anabolic blitzkreig for your first cycle"

No one here would advise such a thing. Continue to research.

**Arian** · 03-26-2010, 05:21 PM

I do know what you mean about the tall guy thing. I'm 5'9" about 190 and my friend is 6'3" and 220lbs. He has some more fat on him that I do, but he always looks "smaller" than I do because he has to fill out so much more. But with eating right, drinking protein shakes, and taking supplements like N.O. and creatine, you can get there. I know it seems like time takes forever now, but believe me, it will start going faster real quick. I know it's not exactly relevant considering his steroid use , but if you're looking for a good current model, check out Toney "X-Man" Freeman. He is a tall, huge dude that has an awesome personality (from the once or twice I've talked to him in booths at shows).

note: I do not KNOW of Toney Freeman's steroid use. I am just making a fairly obvious assumption.

**Morgoth** · 03-27-2010, 04:08 AM

Test has plenty of possible sides. Agression and manic activity in the head are almost guaranteed.

**sixey** · 03-27-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

A first cycle of test prop is a big mistake. You have to pin at lease EOD and prop is one of the most painful things to inject.

well i dont want to run a long cycle with test e because from what i understand the longer the cycle, the more potential for sides, shutdown, etc.

ive read through alot of stickies on here and other forums and many people think a test prop cycle for 6-8 weeks is fine? and doesnt the test prop injection pain center around the "concentration"/strength of the test...i.e. if you cut with some oil to reduce the concentration per ml wont that alleviate most injection pain?

**Bossman** · 03-27-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by sixey

well i dont want to run a long cycle with test e because from what i understand the longer the cycle, the more potential for sides, shutdown, etc.

ive read through alot of stickies on here and other forums and many people think a test prop cycle for 6-8 weeks is fine? and doesnt the test prop injection pain center around the "concentration"/strength of the test...i.e. if you cut with some oil to reduce the concentration per ml wont that alleviate most injection pain?

Search and you'll find countless threads on prop pain. You haven't done your research. You're too young, don't have enough diet and training experience (you wouldn't be 6'3", 190 lbs if you did) for AAS. This is not a quick fix. Continue and you'll be in pain, have less money, will have broken the law, and won't get the results you were hoping for.