cycle help quick please?

[honda69]

First time useing roids

5'9 170lbs ...

I want to cut up not get big

I am getting 10cc of winstrol and either 10cc of deca or 10cc of test or 5cc of each< you tell me (injection not pills)

And tell me how to take it

[verino]

Do not do a first cycle with deca . Start with 500mg a week of test for a total of 12 weeks. So you will need a total of 6000mg of test.

[TwoGuns]

if you just want to get cut up then why use aas? your deit alone can get you those results. Easily!


befor most will help you on these forums they will ask you for your stats. Age, height and years trainig. GL

[Gra]

Get a good diet, and stay away from steroids until you have done more research on the subject.

[honda69]

i am only doing this cyle for 5 weeks so i should get 10cc of winstrol and 10cc of test... how would you take it.. winstrol and test together every other day ?

[honda69]

I am 19 I have been in the gym for bout 5months... i still have pretty good bit of bf... I do diet... I want results fast not 10month later.... Im buying the riods today will you please just tell me which choice is the best

[verino]

forget what i said you need to workout longer and get where you want naturally. You have only been workingout for 5 months. Eat better and workout.

[CMonkey]

I am 19 I have been in the gym for bout 5months... i still have pretty good bit of bf... I do diet... I want results fast not 10month later.... Im buying the riods today will you please just tell me which choice is the best

There isn't a single person on here that is going to advise a 19 year old on AAS usage. Diet is your answer, steroids are not a quick fix. Do some research, lift hard, diet harder, come back in 5-6 years. Good Luck

[Kingkuts]

19? 5 months in the gym? Jesus....

Steroids will do you more harm than good at this point. But, I feel you are going to learn the hard way.

[honda69]

Alright well my friend was same height at 280lbs and he took it and 5months late he was at 195 ... ? Will someone just tell me best cycle for test and winstrol ... I am bout to buy it

[Nooomoto]

I am 19 I have been in the gym for bout 5months... i still have pretty good bit of bf... I do diet... I want results fast not 10month later.... Im buying the riods today will you please just tell me which choice is the best

5 months? Wow...just wow.

The best choice is to NOT DO STEROIDS !!! You're too young, and have the wrong attitude. Put in some time at the gym for Christ's sake.

No such thing as "fast results" in this game, son.

You spent 18 years and 7 months not doing anything, and now you can't wait? Give me a ****ing break.

[honda69]

well im going to buy them... Ill give yal results in 5 weeks

[Kingkuts]

For your sake, I hope where ever you are getting the gear from scams you. Never thought I'd wish that on anyone lol.

1. At 19 your body is still growing, thus producing a decent amount of Testosterone to where you will do just as good naturally as you would on AAS.

2. The reason you aren't cutting fat is because of what you're doing in the kitchen, not in the gym.

You are going to get injured due to lack of education. You are going to screw up your body's natural hormone balance. These aren't possibilities, they are FACTS. So, if you are ok with not getting boners, tearing ligaments and muscles, and living with regret and pain for the rest of your life, by all means proceed.

[Nooomoto]

well im going to buy them... Ill give yal results in 5 weeks

Real smart. Great attitude towards something that could potentially ruin your life.

Why are kids such pussies these days? Whats so hard about working out consistently?

You worked out for 5 months and you want "fast results"? You sound like a girl. Girls say shit like that.

Go take a spinning class with your 5 week cycle.

[marcus300]

You have no idea how to train,
You have no idea how to cycle,
You have no idea what damage you could do to yourself at 19yrs old using steroids ,

stop what your doing, your yrs away from doing steroids,

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[honda69]

its not like im doing a long term steriod rage... its a 5 week cycle... all of yall take steriods and are just fine........ and i have been dieting ... i have lost weight but the fat is still there

[Nooomoto]

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

They all want to get "ripped and lean", so they can get girls...but they don't take into account whats going to happen when they get her in the bedroom and can't get it up. He'll be real cool, then.

I'll never forget the thread about the guy who wanted to do a cycle so he could go to Cancun for vacation.

Ridiculous.

[honda69]

ok well what is something i can use besides steriods that will cut me up and will not harm me? dont say diet!!!!!!!!! i already diet!!!!!!!!!!

[Nooomoto]

its not like im doing a long term steriod rage... its a 5 week cycle... all of yall take steriods and are just fine........ and i have been dieting ... i have lost weight but the fat is still there

Yeah we are fine because we are all in our mid-late 20's, if not older. We also understand proper dieting, supplementation, cycling techniques, compounds, stacks, training...and most importantly PCT. We know when to use AAS and when to NOT use AAS.

How do we know all this? Because we sit here for countless hours READING. Try it, you might learn something. Your quick fix is going to come bite you in the ass, I promise you that.

If we aren't sure about something, we ask on here for a general concensus...and make an informed decision from there. You ask for advice, and ignore all of it. I ask you, WTF are you doing here?

[marcus300]

its not like im doing a long term steriod rage... its a 5 week cycle... all of yall take steriods and are just fine........ and i have been dieting ... i have lost weight but the fat is still there

Your not listening to anyone are you?

It doesnt matter how short of a cycle your doing, you could damage yourself at your age, you need yrs of training before taking steroids , you also need to of stop growing otherwise you could cause yourself serious probelms with your hormonal system, you will shut it down before its even fully developed, do you have any idea what that can do to you???

[lexruger]

its not like im doing a long term steriod rage... its a 5 week cycle... all of yall take steriods and are just fine........ and i have been dieting ... i have lost weight but the fat is still there

Dude no ones gonna help you... all the good advice you have been given and you still want to argue... Dont you think that we might know a thing or two you dont know? Isnt that why you came here? But oh you dont want to wait.... BOO HOO! go cry to someone else Learn how to diet and learn how to train... like marcus said both of which you dont know how to do...

Long term vs. short term use... who cares? your not ready for anything other than some creatine and protein powder. Get a clue, do some cardio and eat right. Plus, you admitted that you were a bit overweight... in your research did you find that you will grow BREASTS if you take AAS while overweight?

[AlphaGenetics]

I think Marcus covered the reason you shouldnt take aas. I can tell you how to get cut up better than any roid out there. Go to your local grocery store, invest all the money you were going to put in to roids on tuna, chicken breast, rice, veggies, potatoes and eggs. Eat protein in every meal, eat 6 or 7 small meals a day. Do cardio 5 days a week, start at 30 minutes and work your way up from there. Push yourself and you will go farther than ANYBODY who uses roids, I swear my life on it. You came to the right place to get information, I hope you listen for your sake. Come back in 6 weeks and post in the diet section and tell us how you progress. We care about you, thats why we take our time to tell you this stuff, we love to see people acheive thier goals and we will do everything we can to help you, as long as you listen...

[Nooomoto]

Go to your local grocery store, invest all the money you were going to put in to roids on tuna, chicken breast, rice, veggies, potatoes and eggs.

Damn dude...you just made me hungry...and I'm eating right now!

[AlphaGenetics]

Damn dude...you just made me hungry...and I'm eating right now!

LOL me too, I just finished my third can of tuna!!

[focus1234]

can we change the focus to a good cycle for me. most of you on here sound more knowledgeable than on other posts. my stats below. I have been training for about 14 years and am very dedicated. I have peaked naturally. I took 400 mg of test E and 300 mg of tren A once a week for my first cycle.

I am 29 yrs old. 5'11" 175 lbs. Injecting doesnt bother me. I really didnt have any sides from my first cycle. I did get noticeably bigger and extremely cut from Test E and Tren A. I did the proper clomid PCT. I kept almost all of the gains and have now finished 16 weeks off of everything (still working out though)

I eat as much as possible.

5 am 6 eggs with oatmeal and bacon
10 am protein shake and meal replacement
1 pm 2 chicken breast, cottage cheese, peanut butter sandwich
4 pm 8 oz tuna packet
5:30 pm and pre-workout drink
6 pm Intra workout drink
8 pm steak, mashed potatoes, etc

Thank you for all your advice. I am looking for a solid injection cycle. I can eat and workout with the best of them but am clueless when it comes to the cycle part.

Tren A 100mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)
Test E 300mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)
Winstrol 50mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)

[AlphaGenetics]

Your gonna have to start your own thread and then we would be glad to help you.

can we change the focus to a good cycle for me. most of you on here sound more knowledgeable than on other posts. my stats below. I have been training for about 14 years and am very dedicated. I have peaked naturally. I took 400 mg of test E and 300 mg of tren A once a week for my first cycle.

I am 29 yrs old. 5'11" 175 lbs. Injecting doesnt bother me. I really didnt have any sides from my first cycle. I did get noticeably bigger and extremely cut from Test E and Tren A. I did the proper clomid PCT. I kept almost all of the gains and have now finished 16 weeks off of everything (still working out though)

I eat as much as possible.

5 am 6 eggs with oatmeal and bacon
10 am protein shake and meal replacement
1 pm 2 chicken breast, cottage cheese, peanut butter sandwich
4 pm 8 oz tuna packet
5:30 pm and pre-workout drink
6 pm Intra workout drink
8 pm steak, mashed potatoes, etc

Thank you for all your advice. I am looking for a solid injection cycle. I can eat and workout with the best of them but am clueless when it comes to the cycle part.

Tren A 100mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)
Test E 300mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)
Winstrol 50mg/ml - 10 ml per vial (4 bottles)

[RoadToRecovery]

OP - Have you tried cycling with Creatine?

[focus1234]

No problem. TITLE: "Experienced Lifter Needs Advise"