Testicular atrophy need advice

[gettintherequick]

So i posted a few weeks ago about havin bad atrophy from my last cycle. I am currently running 20mg tamoxifen and 50mg clomid everyday and on day 20 of pct.

My libido is back up and erections aren't a problem although i have a bit to go yet before its back to its usual self, but testies are still badly atrophied.

I am considering running HCG for 2/3 weeks at 500iu everyday to bring the testies back to normal size etc.

I am however, a bit unsure of HCG as iv never used it. Am i on the right track with this cycle:

HCG 500iu (ed) for 2/3 weeks
Tamox 20mg (ed) for 2/3 weeks
Then Clomid 50mg (ed) for 2 weeks after i have ceased the use of HCG...

Experienced advice please i am badly atrophied here...

[gettintherequick]

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[abuleh]

I believe running HcG in PCT is counter productive.

In PCT you are trying to restore your own Test. production. Test is made by your testis and you testis are triggert by LH which is made from the pituitary gland. HcG mimics LH which means you supress your natural LH production when taking it.

Should've taken HcG on cycle imo.

Anyway I believe your testis will need some time to come fully back. I would just give the Nolva and Clomid some more time. Both cause LH and FSH production in your pituitary gland. It is just your ball that need some more time to grow back to original size.This is actually the reason for most to take HcG on cycle. It helps with recovery. LH comes back quite fast with serms but your balls need time…..

[abuleh]

Also how long was your cycle and what did you run?

[gettintherequick]

10 weeks test e 500mg/week
8 weeks EQ 400mg/week
5 weeks dianabol 40mg/day (it was when i took these that i noticed the atrophy bad)

They always recover alot faster than this so im kinda panicing. I understad how the HCG works and that it effectively keeps you shut down for longer but i am still considering running 3 weeks of HCG to try combat the atrophy..

What you think?

[abuleh]

mmmh, never been in a situation like this.

You could give it a try to get your boys back but I would then extend your PCT for another 3-4 wks after the HcG administration to boost your natural LH.

Any chance to get bloodwork done to see where your LH/FSH and Test levels are now?

Where are the vets here? Anybody else who can help????

[gettintherequick]

Very rarely see the vets on this site anymore think they'v had enough lol.

I live in ireland we can't just walk in and get bloods done we have to have a problem that requires diagnosis through bloodwork and tellin the doc im on roids is a no no.

Shit, il run the HCG then continue Nolva/Clomid and see how i go...

[sigman roid]

Very rarely see the vets on this site anymore think they'v had enough lol.

I live in ireland we can't just walk in and get bloods done we have to have a problem that requires diagnosis through bloodwork and tellin the doc im on roids is a no no.

Shit, il run the HCG then continue Nolva/Clomid and see how i go...

I'd finish my pct first then see where i was then ,You might try shooting a pm to swifto He'll be able to tell you what way to go.

[BennyLom]

Look mate, you didnt use hCG on cycle so you should use it now. Abuleh's logic is partly correct but he somehow draws the wrong conclusion. hCG is what you need to get your testes running again.

[BennyLom]

Also and according to the pharmacist I talked to (as well as the product description by Bayer) Proviron(um) can help as well, but there are a lot of people who will say it does not.

[gettintherequick]

Yea i think i can really do no more harm running at least two weeks of HCG.

The boys just aren't coming back at all here, but like i said libido is suppressed but not enough to worry me and erections are fine so there must not be a direct correlation between ball size and test produced?

I am going to try and PM swifto for his advice..