4 weeks into cycle and no gains

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 01:14 PM

I am getting a bit nervous now as if my gear is legit or fake,

i am almost finished week 4 now of sustanon and deca , doing a 12 week cycle, ok im shooting sus 1mg twice per week and deca 2mg twice per week, shooting every 2nd day, when i started the cycle i was 13stone and i am still at that now, i am lifting more but i think thats just me training harder, i eat well, consuming 3500+ cals of good foods and shakes and my protein intake is high, the sustanon bottles are browne with a red, yellow and grey stripes near top of the bottle, organon white labe on it,, batch 1269 05/14. Deca Pronabol has pink and white label, manufactured in india by labs, i got them from a trusted seller so i just dont know if its just delayed gains or what, so guys what you's think? help much appreciated.,

**gixxerboy1** · 04-02-2010, 01:33 PM

deca and test can take 4-6 weeks to start working. Also arent tell the correct dose you are taking. you are saying you are taking 1 and 2mg twice per week so thats 2x a week. but said again you are shooting every 2nd day. so that would be more. Lay out better what you are doing for us to see

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 01:36 PM

agree with the above deca can take upto 6 weeks to kick in but the sust should you should be feeling by now ,it has a small ammount of prop in it and this would give you some sex drive increase atleast imo ,but as gixx said could take upto 6 weeks.

i have had some of the deca your talking about ,its 2ml glass amps 100mgs/ml right?you say p&b labs ,you sure its not plb labs ? am sure thats what mine were, i dident rate them that much compeard to other human grade deca .

**Sheven** · 04-02-2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by kieranl

I am getting a bit nervous now as if my gear is legit or fake,

i am almost finished week 4 now of sustanon and deca , doing a 12 week cycle, ok im shooting sus 1mg twice per week and deca 2mg twice per week, shooting every 2nd day, when i started the cycle i was 13stone and i am still at that now, i am lifting more but i think thats just me training harder, i eat well, consuming 3500+ cals of good foods and shakes and my protein intake is high, the sustanon bottles are browne with a red, yellow and grey stripes near top of the bottle, organon white labe on it,, batch 1269 05/14. Deca Pronabol has pink and white label, manufactured in india by p&b labs, i got them from a trusted seller so i just dont know if its just delayed gains or what, so guys what you's think? help much appreciated.,

the sustanon appear to be sustanon UK ? if that is the case you either payed a lot on them or have fake. about P&B, be careful of their tabs the europe is full of fake of them. there is testopox from P&B that is all fake in the market, it comes from Bulgaria. i don't know if they have faked the deca aswell but since they counterfeited the tabs and testopox i wouldn't be surprised for them to fake also the deca.

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 02:16 PM

sorry for that error Gixx, right start on monday- take 1ml sus, tuesday - nothing, Wednesday- 2ml deca , Thursday - nothing, Friday - Sust again and so on.Hope that's clear lol, Mad dogs it says manufactured in , its printed in caps and in Bold, and to the left of that there is a box with and it has a white background in the box with those letters being caps on too, B. No. 260, Exp OCT 2012, days i would have increased sex drive and days i'd be normal, i do see a small increase in muscle size in my biceps but no actual body mass if you know what i mean, but i'm thinking they would get bigger anyhow due to heavy training.

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 02:20 PM

yes your right i just digged some old amps of p&b deca i ahve ,from india ,there not very good man , 4 weeks on cycle i thought you would of gained something ,sounds fishy too me.

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sheven

the sustanon appear to be sustanon UK ? if that is the case you either payed a lot on them or have fake. about B, be careful of their tabs the europe is full of fake of them. there is testopox from that is all fake in the market, it comes from Bulgaria. i don't know if they have faked the deca aswell but since they counterfeited the tabs and testopox i wouldn't be surprised for them to fake also the deca.

, a friend of a friend had taken the above before, near enough same cycle and he had explosive results, sourced from the same guy i got mine , but he would have cycled a a lot of times more than me, would that play any factor as to his results as to mine?

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

yes your right i just digged some old amps of p&b deca i ahve ,from india ,there not very good man , 4 weeks on cycle i thought you would of gained something ,sounds fishy too me.

is the oil fairly watery? i can shake mine and set it on the table and the bubbles rise almost immediately to the top, same with the sust, should i keep on it for another 2-3 weeks to see or would that be dodgey?

**Sheven** · 04-02-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by kieranl

I paid £4 per bottle, a friend of a friend had taken the above before, near enough same cycle and he had explosive results, sourced from the same guy i got mine , but he would have cycled a a lot of times more than me, would that play any factor as to his results as to mine?

which susta you have bro?

**gixxerboy1** · 04-02-2010, 02:45 PM

guys edit your post. You cant name lab names or prices

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

guys edit your post. You cant name lab names or prices

done

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 02:50 PM

yes mine are very wartery ,cheep shit from india man.

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sheven

which susta you have bro?

browne bottle organon, 3 stripes on it

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by kieranl

browne bottle organon, 3 stripes on it

that will be turkish sust and its one of the best sust around ,i have used it many time and love the stuff ,you should be feeling it by now for sust ,am thinking its bunk.

is it the same as this?

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

that will be turkish sust and its one of the best sust around ,i have used it many time and love the stuff ,you should be feeling it by now for sust ,am thinking its bunk.

is it the same as this?

yea thats the stuff, bunk?

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 03:04 PM

bunk= fake

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

bunk= fake

ffs, would the same labs be selling good and fake gear cause like i said i got it from trusted, long time seller, and he hardly gets any complaints

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 03:12 PM

am not saying it is 100% fake man but by what your saying it sounds it too me ,now its pharma grade gear meaning its the best stuff you can by if legit ,if its fake it will be someone counterfitting them and selling them on as the real thing .

**gixxerboy1** · 04-02-2010, 03:13 PM

the ones in the pic look legit. but like anything there are fakes. you need to trust who they come from

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

am not saying it is 100% fake man but by what your saying it sounds it too me ,now its pharma grade gear meaning its the best stuff you can by if legit ,if its fake it will be someone counterfitting them and selling them on as the real thing .

should i keep on it then for another 2 weeks r so to know for sure?

**mad dogs** · 04-02-2010, 03:17 PM

hmm thats upto you bud ,i start to feel sust after around 7-10 days so that why am saying yours maybe fake.

**kieranl** · 04-02-2010, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by mad dogs

hmm thats upto you bud ,i start to feel sust after around 7-10 days so that why am saying yours maybe fake.

i'l try it for another 10 days or so, just to make sure, thanks for all the help guys, and i will post back here with the result, fingers crossed lol

**Kiki** · 04-02-2010, 07:44 PM

You haven't gained any weight at all in 4 weeks?

Sorry bro, sounds completely fake. It doesn't matter how long it takes gear to kick in, there will always be a little water weight gained in the first few days. Also even if you're using long esters only, by 4 weeks you'll definitely something, be it sex drive, or power in the gym etc...

**Sinned** · 04-03-2010, 03:32 PM

you should notice the test in the sus by week 4.

**hadoser** · 04-07-2010, 05:48 AM

That looks like a legit gear. If yor source got this from a pharmacy in Turkey, it cannot be fake. I am Turkish, living in Istanbul. Only trust gear obtained from pharmacies.

***t-gunz*** · 04-07-2010, 06:27 AM

has your physic changed at all? if you have pics you can see if it is working.

i would run it a bit longer just to see.

some people react different.

**Hard.On** · 04-07-2010, 07:59 AM

If your shooting that much it is probly not good.

Only Problem now is,

If your deca is Good
and
Your Sus is Bunk

You may want to get your hands on some good test/ Fast acting(maybe Prop)
and start shooting it because your going to start feeling the sides of DECA on its own