My problems with Test E.

[Morgoth]

So I did my first ever cycle a little over a year ago. I ran:

Test E 500mg wk 1-12
Nolva (tamox) wk 1-12

PCT with Nolva

It was way too much for me. I had horrible sides. Basically, these thoughts kept revolving over and over in my head. It was a problem that had been mentally bugging me for some time prior to my doing the cycle; once I did the cycle it mentally combined with the problem and I started thinking about it all the time no matter how much I tried not to. I also started to get really angry at these thoughts (roid rage).

In the end I had to go see a shrink who prescribed Risperdol, which gave me relief. I still have these thoughts once in a while though.


Has anyone else gone through something like this and have any advice for me for future cycles? Next time I am considering doing a Sust 250mg week cycle for 8 weeks only. I've heard Sust is weaker than Test and using only 250 mg per week I am hoping to avoid the horrible sides I had before.

Thoughts and advice most welcome.

Regards

[Kibble]

My only advice:

If the AAS sides are too much for you, then AAS is too much for you.

If you are having mental issues, you do not need to add foreign substances into your body which can have the placebo effect of altering attitude.

A good quote is "AAS does not make assholes. It makes assholes into bigger assholes"

[lovbyts]

So I did my first ever cycle a little over a year ago. I ran:

Test E 500mg wk 1-12
Nolva (tamox) wk 1-12

PCT with Nolva

It was way too much for me. I had horrible sides. Basically, these thoughts kept revolving over and over in my head. It was a problem that had been mentally bugging me for some time prior to my doing the cycle; once I did the cycle it mentally combined with the problem and I started thinking about it all the time no matter how much I tried not to. I also started to get really angry at these thoughts (roid rage).

In the end I had to go see a shrink who prescribed Risperdol, which gave me relief. I still have these thoughts once in a while though.


Has anyone else gone through something like this and have any advice for me for future cycles? Next time I am considering doing a Sust 250mg week cycle for 8 weeks only. I've heard Sust is weaker than Test and using only 250 mg per week I am hoping to avoid the horrible sides I had before.

Thoughts and advice most welcome.

Regards

I have read a few post like this over the years and each time it seemed to be due to the person already experienced some issues before cycle but this just seemed to bring it out more.

Also running the Nolva through cycle didnt help, it only hindered your gains. Also running only 250 mg a week is really just a therapeutic dose so you where only replacing what you where producing naturally, not really enogh to make any good noticeable gains.

[Markosterone]

like you said, you had these thoughts prior to cycle...

work out these issues before you start next cycle.

[Morgoth]

I have read a few post like this over the years and each time it seemed to be due to the person already experienced some issues before cycle but this just seemed to bring it out more.

Also running the Nolva through cycle didnt help, it only hindered your gains. Also running only 250 mg a week is really just a therapeutic dose so you where only replacing what you where producing naturally, not really enogh to make any good noticeable gains.

I know 250mg week of Sust is pretty weak but I want to see if I have managed to overcome my issues. I feel much better now mentally and feel I can go through a cycle again, but I need to check it out first. Also, since its only my second cycle there will be SOME gains. Also, the Sust will boost my metabolism and help me get rid of some fat around my stomach, which I gained after my prior cycle due to poor diet. (I was unprepared for hunger pangs following the cycle and ate high fat/sugar foods)

Regarding Novla on cycle, I hear its good to prevent issues like Gyno and doesn't really hinder gains much at all.

Regards

[ghettoboyd]

seems like your aas knowledge is based on things youve heard...i think its time to do some reasurch and maybee learn for yourself what you are doing....

[Hard.On]

seems like your aas knowledge is based on things youve heard...i think its time to do some reasurch and maybee learn for yourself what you are doing....

^^
X2

AAS isnt for everyone

[number28]

I only start nolva at any noticeable physical sides...try doing more research.
Many things I hear from ppl are contradicting to one another.

Stickys are a good place to start.

[Morgoth]

Uhmm, it says here in a sticky on this very site that you should do nolva whilst on cycle. Here's the link to the sticky:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

Btw, can anyone tell me what L-dex is for?

Thanks!

[Arian]

I feel much better now mentally and feel I can go through a cycle again, but I need to check it out first.

Sounds like steroids is something you really don't want to do but that you're being forced to do or something. It sounds like you're dreading doing a cycle.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Man risperdal is one hell of a heavy atypical anti-psychotic bro.

Just so you know, when my brother went on the stuff he gained 12kg in 3 months.

It's notorious for effect effecting and decreasing your body's metabolism.

I would 100% stay away from cycles if I was you. Those thoughts that you STILL have "at times" do not sound healthy...

Moreover, I would not put more chemicals/hormones into my body. You obviously aren't particularly 'stable' (that's not a shot at you.. just trying to be truthful bro..)

In any case, I would NOT suggest cycling. You do not need huge fluctuations in your hormonal levels (which in turn could further worsen symptoms of depression, etc.)

PCT depression is one of the most common sides from AAS usage.

Good luck w/ your future..

-VM

[MotoLifter]

You need to do alot more research before startgin any amount of AAS again. Your knowledge is extremely limited judging from your posts here. Take some time and you will be much happier with the results next time.


Moto

[gymmonster]

l would stay away until you get youre head right.are you still on risperidone?
mixing aas with that could be bad. l work in healthcare and every pt. on it has weight gain so youre probably gaining weight like crazy on it, whats you bf% at, sides are said to be worse with higher bf%

[Vitruvian-Man]

l work in healthcare and every pt. on it has weight gain so youre probably gaining weight like crazy on it, whats you bf% at, sides are said to be worse with higher bf%

I agree weight gain w/ Atypical Anti-psychotics is awful. Thankfully some of the newfound "Typical" anti-psychotics don't have AS much of an impact on your metabolism/thyroid.

-VM

[Morgoth]

Yep I have gained weight around my stomach from the drug, though with some strict diet control (high protein moderate carbs and low fat) and regular weight training I have kept most of the weight gain under control.

Don't worry I don't intend to cycle while I am still on risperdal. However mentally I feel MUCH better now and thats why I plan on doing a sus 250 mg only cycle after a couple of months to see if I can handle AAS.

[Morgoth]

Oh and btw Vitruvian-Man, why did your brother go on Risperdal? Did he also take Anabolics? Also did he loose the weight he gained from the drug after he got off it (risperdal I mean) and did his metabolism return to normal?

[Bossman]

What were the thoughts revolving over and over in your head?

Why is it, some members ask for advice, get good sound answers but dismiss them. Is it because it's not the advice they want to hear?

[matt77]

My only advice:

If the AAS sides are too much for you, then AAS is too much for you.

If you are having mental issues, you do not need to add foreign substances into your body which can have the placebo effect of altering attitude.

A good quote is "AAS does not make assholes. It makes assholes into bigger assholes"

I have read a few post like this over the years and each time it seemed to be due to the person already experienced some issues before cycle but this just seemed to bring it out more.

Also running the Nolva through cycle didnt help, it only hindered your gains. Also running only 250 mg a week is really just a therapeutic dose so you where only replacing what you where producing naturally, not really enogh to make any good noticeable gains.

seems like your aas knowledge is based on things youve heard...i think its time to do some reasurch and maybee learn for yourself what you are doing....

Man risperdal is one hell of a heavy atypical anti-psychotic bro.

Just so you know, when my brother went on the stuff he gained 12kg in 3 months.

It's notorious for effect effecting and decreasing your body's metabolism.

I would 100% stay away from cycles if I was you. Those thoughts that you STILL have "at times" do not sound healthy...

Moreover, I would not put more chemicals/hormones into my body. You obviously aren't particularly 'stable' (that's not a shot at you.. just trying to be truthful bro..)

In any case, I would NOT suggest cycling. You do not need huge fluctuations in your hormonal levels (which in turn could further worsen symptoms of depression, etc.)

PCT depression is one of the most common sides from AAS usage.

Good luck w/ your future..

-VM

Listen to all of this!! Man you need to do more research before jumping back in another cycle. You need to learn what all the supports and PCT meds do and when to take them. I have also learned to look in a few place for info then confirm it is the current protocol and not info that is 10 years old. Good luck and stay away from AAS until you get it under control. We don't need another incident causing bad press for AAS for no reason.

[Morgoth]

What were the thoughts revolving over and over in your head?

Why is it, some members ask for advice, get good sound answers but dismiss them. Is it because it's not the advice they want to hear?

The thoughts were something related to a bad work experiance I had. It was a multitude of issues that I had that I kept thinking about. This continued for around 1 year. I then decided to go ahead and do my first cycle (I had done my research and was being guided by a pro of my country, but had no idea about the mental sides of AAS). When I went on cycle it took the thoughts I had been having and multiplied their frequency many times over. I kept thinking about the shit ALL THE TIME! I started having manic activity in my head basically. Also, I started getting _VERY_ angry at the thoughts i was having (aka roid rage) and started screaming and yelling to myself over and over at certain times of the day.

The risperdal has helped and has gotten rid of most of these thoughts. I intend to do my second cycle once I am totally free of these thoughts (which are almost gone). I have done my research, trust me. Thats why my cycle will be as I stated earlier in the thread. 250 mg of sust is a small dose and should let me know if I am ready to handle heavier doses in the future.

[JuiceMonkey007]

Uhmm, it says here in a sticky on this very site that you should do nolva whilst on cycle. Here's the link to the sticky:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

Btw, can anyone tell me what L-dex is for?

Thanks!

L-dex is for arimidex
it's recommended to use it throughout your cycle along with nolva
and pct with those 2 plus clomid

nb: aggressivity and mood swing is in your head... Believe in yourself and no need to proof anything to anybody! And am sure you ll Have a good and sweet experience with your second cycle
best of luck

[songdog]

man you just need to stay away from the juice its not for you.