Who has cruised on Test longterm?, experiences?, gains?, after effects?

**eyeothetiger** · 04-04-2010, 08:05 AM

Hi guys, yeah I'm just looking for some feedback from those of you who have cruised on Test longterm. By cruising I mean at like say 200mg-300mg/week whether it be Test E, Sust etc.

What are your experiences?
What was your recovery like?

Any feedback much appreciated as I am currently cruising myself and I'm doing so with caution.

**swe1975** · 04-04-2010, 08:16 AM

i have been on testosterone at about 500mg/w before for about 12-13months straight with good gains(lost alot after i stopped)Had no PCT medications back at that time in life and never heard of them during the early1990´s so pretty long recovery time and dropped alot of the gains but had more than i started with atleast!
my nuts was pretty shrunken too but bounced back after a while to normal(atleast as far as i now and could tell)

Probably kept about 10-12kg after and i suppose with the knowladge of pct the gains would have been much more!

But i suppose at this time when internet is all over the world that you will do a pct cycle after you stop with the testosteron so you bounce back much faster than i did back then when i was pretty young!

This is probably all i remember due to it was a longt time agoe so this is probably of no bigger help(but this is what i remember from that time!)

**eyeothetiger** · 04-04-2010, 08:24 AM

swe1975 thanks for that, I am cruising at 250mg/week and don't plan on going to like 12 months. I already have children so that's not really a problem in the future but naturally my pecker performing is my concern.

With roughly five times the amount of natural test in my system that my body would produce naturally I am hoping to continue to gain moderately and keep what I've gained already. From what I am saying does that seem achievable?.

Also I hear HCG is what alot of people use for recovery, know little about it. I have Nolva and Clomid already on hand but is HCG better. I am early 30's by the way.

**taiboxa** · 04-04-2010, 08:41 AM

i was on for about 2 years.. straight.. did it all from intense 24week long cycles of high doses to short 4 and 6 week long burst cycles.. all the while i ran different types of TRT dosing protocols between them.. i tried using test blends, testE, TestE/P blend, and doses ranging from 100mg/wk to 400mg/wk

heres what i walked away with..
FIRSTLY after being on STRAIGHT FOR 2 YEARS.. and then abrubtly ending due to legal reasons.. i recovered.. QUITE WELL ACTUALLY.. eating INSANE AMOUNTS OF EFA's from eggs/salmon/flax oil.. and taking nolva and aromasin (only 1weeks worth of aromasin and 3 weeks of nolva) my sex drive never really went away, and i never went catabolic as i never really lost any LBM or Strength to my suprise.. of course i lost top end strength since i was no longer on Halo/Tren but my base was still there. i also found hcg to never play any beneficial role in recovery- imo but thats just me.. the stuff can be suppressive so improper use can be a bit of a concern.

but.. like i was stating.. i found (for me) that 100mg~150mg/wk of test worked great it really didnt matter as long as it was a long ester or blend of long esters. My cycles would last about 6 weeks and be high doses of tren with an oral.

**mad dogs** · 04-04-2010, 08:44 AM

how old are you?

**eyeothetiger** · 04-04-2010, 08:52 AM

Cheers taiboxa, so cutting to chase I should be cool really way I am going?. How old were you when you were on for two years?, like I say I don't compete, may consider it in future but I train mainly for my work and yeah because I love the ladies...it would therefore be silly for me to end up with a serious limp dick even if the women are loving me lol, hence my concerns.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 04-04-2010, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i was on for about 2 years.. straight.. did it all from intense 24week long cycles of high doses to short 4 and 6 week long burst cycles.. all the while i ran different types of TRT dosing protocols between them.. i tried using test blends, testE, TestE/P blend, and doses ranging from 100mg/wk to 400mg/wk

heres what i walked away with..
FIRSTLY after being on STRAIGHT FOR 2 YEARS.. and then abrubtly ending due to legal reasons.. i recovered.. QUITE WELL ACTUALLY.. eating INSANE AMOUNTS OF EFA's from eggs/salmon/flax oil.. and taking nolva and aromasin (only 1weeks worth of aromasin and 3 weeks of nolva) my sex drive never really went away, and i never went catabolic as i never really lost any LBM or Strength to my suprise.. of course i lost top end strength since i was no longer on Halo/Tren but my base was still there. i also found hcg to never play any beneficial role in recovery- imo but thats just me.. the stuff can be suppressive so improper use can be a bit of a concern.

but.. like i was stating.. i found (for me) that 100mg~150mg/wk of test worked great it really didnt matter as long as it was a long ester or blend of long esters. My cycles would last about 6 weeks and be high doses of tren with an oral.

dam son

**marcus300** · 04-04-2010, 09:07 AM

Positive's for me were, blasting along side a HRT dose really did build some great tissue and helped in maintaining the new found muscle tissue, increase's in strength,fullness and size were easy to obtain.

Negative's for me were, found it really hard to fully recover lost a lot of size trying to regain full function of my HPTA it wasn't long after I had to go onto HRT permanently, I also seemed to have more injuries when I came off cycle, testicle shrinkage, sperm volume over halved, hair loss increased.

I cruised on and off from many years in my 30's, normally they would last around 12 months at a time, the more I cruised the more it had a negative effect on my own natural testosterone and you have to really way up what's important to you, if your competing its something your going to have to get involved in if your trying to get in the top ranks but if your just doing it for vanity reasons you really need to have a word with yourself.

**eyeothetiger** · 04-04-2010, 09:12 AM

Ok, there's financial reasons to as to why I would do it but from what I'm hearing I think I'm not gonna stay on too long. In total 12 months is what I'm thinking, me being 5 months in now. Is there a safer test for me to cruise on?, at mo it's sust 250 I'm using. Have used test e before and liked it, if anything preferred the simplicity but couldn't get it this time around when needed it.

**swe1975** · 04-04-2010, 09:59 AM

I really dont know?
Test are test but the safest test i can think of if the sideffects kick in is the propionate that is fast in and out in the system,but not that great testo to use for long periods of time due to short half life it has!

I prefeer either enanthate or cypionate when using it longer and start up with either sustanon /omnadren or propionate in the start untill the longer esters has begun to work!

I suppose to have nolvadex ,clomid and the pct gear is the safest way to go as far as my guess is(mayby nebido would be great to use for longer periods,but the price is high and not thath much of them around i can imagine because i havent seen a single one as of yet and in europe where i live they cost around 180$/amp of 4ml 1000mg´s in the pharmacy so i can only have nightmares of what 1amp would cost out on the streets or the gym!

So enanthate or cypionate is my guess in the longer run,sustanon is a little waste of money due to the fast esters in it that doesent do much more than start up the injection faster and then it is a little over 100mg/amp left in the system after 1st amp and increas after a few to a higher level if taken every week(dont now exactly how high the mg´s are if susta is injected e.week after 1month,but it is more than 100mg/amp atleast as far as i understand it because the long half life of the longest ester in the sustanon amps!)

I suppose somebody else can explain this better and be of more help that are better in english than i am!

Good luck with everything!

**dec11** · 04-04-2010, 10:01 AM

im on 250mg pw test e, have been for 12wks now. am gaining more than i did in any cycle of 500-875mg test pw with orals, very little sides, i found recovery wasnt going great after 6 cycles so decided, as i know i wont stop, to stay on and do shorter 10wk burst cycles a few times a year

**taiboxa** · 04-04-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by eyeothetiger

Cheers taiboxa, so cutting to chase I should be cool really way I am going?. How old were you when you were on for two years?, like I say I don't compete, may consider it in future but I train mainly for my work and yeah because I love the ladies...it would therefore be silly for me to end up with a serious limp dick even if the women are loving me lol, hence my concerns.

i was late 26? maybe.. i was training for strong man and i was passionate about it... if i had it all over... i do it exactly the same though more burst cycles n' less lengthy high dose runs..

**hankdiesel** · 04-04-2010, 11:05 AM

After my current cycle I plan on cruising (trt) indefinitely. I have a script from a doc and plan on getting blood work done a few times a year. After my last cyle I got my test levels checked about 3 months after. I still had not recovered fully even after a hcg /clomid/nolva pct. Oh well, time to cruise and blast.

**gymnerd** · 04-04-2010, 12:23 PM

I was going to make a thread about this but seing as one is already here. I think my cycle days are over the up and down is crap!! I am going to cruise on 250mg wk for about a month to 6wks and then blast for 8-10wks maybe? When life catches up to me and I no longer have time for this nonsense I will make an effort to come clean and recover if it doesnt happen so be it im in my mid thirties anyway I cant hang onto gains like I used to anyways.

Is there a good thread to read on cruise and blast? I guess I will do this untill my goals change which will be to switch from powerlifting/ and bodybuilding to a more healthy lifestyle that doesnt include drug use and includes alot more cardio. Actually I think a PM for a vet is in order here.

**Hard.On** · 04-04-2010, 12:29 PM

I dont think some people understand what HRT and TRT is supposed to be used for.

Like said before, If your doing it for vanity reasons then its really not a good idea.

**gymnerd** · 04-04-2010, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by twotimer

I dont think some people understand what HRT and TRT is supposed to be used for.

Like said before, If your doing it for vanity reasons then its really not a good idea.

Ehh it up to the person if its worth it to them isnt it?

**Hard.On** · 04-04-2010, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

Ehh it up to the person if its worth it to them isnt it?

True enough.
It is your or their life, its not my place to tell you how to live. I just hope everyone understands that how their life is now isnt how their life is going to be in the future.

(This is for guys under 30 thinking of going on trt, I see threads all the time and I just shake my head)

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 04-04-2010, 02:43 PM

subbed...This thread will come in handy down the line

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 04-04-2010, 02:44 PM

question: how long do people generally cruise before going on a blast cycle?

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-04-2010, 02:50 PM

I was wondering about after week 12 what the harm would be to taper down to 300mg/wk for 2 more weeks and then start PCT

Anyones opinion on doing it that way? Talking about Test E here

**gymnerd** · 04-04-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

I was wondering about after week 12 what the harm would be to taper down to 300mg/wk for 2 more weeks and then start PCT

Anyones opinion on doing it that way? Talking about Test E here

I know it was an old school method to taper off at the end but that was before PCT was really used much. I think the reason nobody does that anymore is say after your last shot of test E you start pct 14 days later right? Well the Test E will taper off on its own during that time thats how its designed to work so there is no need to taper really.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-04-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

I know it was an old school method to taper off at the end but that was before PCT was really used much. I think the reason nobody does that anymore is say after your last shot of test E you start pct 14 days later right? Well the Test E will taper off on its own during that time thats how its designed to work so there is no need to taper really.

Makes sense

How come you see guys doing 10-12wk cycles and then guys that will dose for a year but why dont you see alot of guys doing 6 month cycles and then hit PCT alittle harder than coming off a 12k cycle

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 04-04-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Makes sense

How come you see guys doing 10-12wk cycles and then guys that will dose for a year but why dont you see alot of guys doing 6 month cycles and then hit PCT alittle harder than coming off a 12k cycle

because your gains will greatly diminish and you wont see much improvement over that long course of time. Not to mention you will have to be off and recover for way longer

**gymnerd** · 04-04-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Makes sense

How come you see guys doing 10-12wk cycles and then guys that will dose for a year but why dont you see alot of guys doing 6 month cycles and then hit PCT alittle harder than coming off a 12k cycle

Gains slow greattly after 12-14 wks and recovery after 6 months would be a MF'r not to mention if you want to stay off TRT the rule is time on +pct =time off so the longer you are on the longer you will have to stay off anyway and most will get better gains by getting in getting out and hitting PCT then time off will be shorter then cycle again.

**dec11** · 04-05-2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

I was going to make a thread about this but seing as one is already here. I think my cycle days are over the up and down is crap!! I am going to cruise on 250mg wk for about a month to 6wks and then blast for 8-10wks maybe? When life catches up to me and I no longer have time for this nonsense I will make an effort to come clean and recover if it doesnt happen so be it im in my mid thirties anyway I cant hang onto gains like I used to anyways.

Is there a good thread to read on cruise and blast? I guess I will do this untill my goals change which will be to switch from powerlifting/ and bodybuilding to a more healthy lifestyle that doesnt include drug use and includes alot more cardio. Actually I think a PM for a vet is in order here.

ive been saying this for 2 yrs now, just cant stop plifting lol, dont feel tht lighter workouts complete me and although i dont compete anymore i love the kick outa testing myself on big lifts, esp. deads. i understand the mid 30's thing, i find training getting tougher on the body now, but cruising is helping alot

**SpanishStallion** · 04-05-2010, 10:07 AM

1 year cruising with testosterone and some other things but not very high dosage caused my friend to not produce any sperm what so ever and is completely sterile. fertility doc. suggested some HCG but because the FH is so low he said maybe time will solve.