2nd cycle...lots of injection pain...???

[gus378]

on my 2nd cycle. I have pretty bad pain for days after an injection. Using 21g 1.5" needles. I replace my needle between the vial and my skin, I inject really slow...maybe 1 min per cc. I alternate inject sites, thigh, glut, etc. I didn't have this problem with my first cycle. here is my gear...any thoughts? 250 ml twice a week on the test and the eq.

[dieseljimmy]

could it be possible you are injecting too deep. IDK. 21 gauge needle is big dude. I would spend the five bones and get some smaller needles.

also the manufacture may have too much BA is the mix. I suggest cutting it with b-12. before going to more drastic measures.

[JScondition]

I dont think pain would really tell if your gear is fake or not. You could have no pain and have bunk gear. How long has it been between cycles? If it has been a while, you could just have to get used to pinning again. Maybe you have "born again virgin" muscles lol.

[Spartans09]

21 gauge is a torpedo. Try 23. Also, cut your gear with filtered sterile cotton seed or grapeseed oil on a 1:1 ratio.

[gus378]

The issue isn't really with the actual injection...the pain is almost non existent there. The pain develops hours after and continues to get worse through the following day. Feels like my thigh/ass got smashed with a sledge hammer. Would cutting the gear help it disperse more easily? What would be a good way to go about that? How should I sterilize the oil...and after I do so, do I just inject it into my test vial? thanks guys.

[hankdiesel]

The issue isn't really with the actual injection...the pain is almost non existent there. The pain develops hours after and continues to get worse through the following day. Feels like my thigh/ass got smashed with a sledge hammer. Would cutting the gear help it disperse more easily? What would be a good way to go about that? How should I sterilize the oil...and after I do so, do I just inject it into my test vial? thanks guys.

The pain afterwards is because of the size needles you are using. You need to buy 23g or 25g for IM injections. 21g is to big.

[gus378]

I guess mainly, i'm just worried about bullshit gear. I don't mind dealin with the pain. I train martial arts everyday so pain is a constant anyway. I just want to make sure this isn't a sign that the gear is gonna **** me up or somthing. haha Have any of you heard of gear that is real painful but still effective? If so, i'll continue this gear til the end of my cycle and just get different shit next time.

[gus378]

...also, it's mainly the test that's giving me problems. not so much the eq

[thegodfather]

...also, it's mainly the test that's giving me problems. not so much the eq

Sounds like you are having an anaphylactic reaction to the concentration of BA/BB used as a preservative in the gear. A very very slight chance there are impurities in the powder that you are having a reaction to, but most likely the concentration of BA/BB, as stated previously, try cutting with sterile oil as it will serve to make the concentration at the injection site more dilute.

[johncalvin]

I'm using gear from the same lab and im having the same problem

[Kibble]

Same problem here.... but a different lab. Every injection site stays very sore for 2-4 days after injection. I just did my 4th injection in the bicep last night and I can't even curl my arm. I only had 2 painful injections on my last cycle

[mad dogs]

test e/c should not be giveing pain like you guys say ,i have been brewing for a while now and can do a test at 400mgs/ml and its near painless ,i think the labs are putting too much b.a into there brew or the base powder has a high acid content ,either way its not good for the pain factor.

[gus378]

k, so will the concentration of benzyl alcohol have any ill effects on the cycle or anything else besides pain? Whats the proper way to sterilize the oil? Just bake it at 275 degrees?

[mad dogs]

b.a will have no effect on the test ester, you want to get yourself a .2 whatman filter and say a 20ml steirle vail,20ml glass beaker -

1- add 20ml grape seed oil to glass beaker

2- heat in oven at 250 for 30-40 mins,let cool

3- draw into syringe and add filter

4-filter into sterile vail

once this is done you will have sterile oil just draw up 1ml sterile oil to every 1ml test you are injecting.

[gus378]

thanks!

[Bloodsaw]

I have heard that gear hurts, and not to stir shit but also heard its a little underdosed, but who knows for sure? anyways cut it with b-12 first, then try the other methods

[theorignalanimal]

you using a 21 g for all your injections??? i wouldnt fancy using anything that big on my biceps!!!!! ouch!