Interested in strength with minimal size gains.

[77715576]

My goal is to be as strong as possible at about 170 lbs which is my current weight. I want to be strong in all the compound lifts of course, but I also want to keep decently fast run times. Essentially I want to be all around strong and quick. I have been a solid 195lbs about 2 years ago. Went from 135-195 fairly easily, diet in check, lifted right all that good stuff. I dropped down to 175 while increasing my lifts, and started incorporating running, olympic lifts, more athletic style events (sprints, jumps, agility work), and strongman style events into my training. I play no sports and have no real reason for training like this other than it being what I enjoy. Been lifting for about 5 years, took one year kind of off, and have been doing this newer kind of training for about 2 years. I definitely am able to make progress without drugs, but once I start to his a limit I want to have researched enough about what would work best for someone with my goals. So again, PL/SM type strength, decent speed, and overall athletic ability gains with minimal size increase is my goal. Any ideas what I should be looking into?

[Mr.Rose]

A basic Testosterone cycle with a proper PCT.

Whats Your stats?


Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF%: ?
Cycle Exp: ?
PCT Knowledge: ?
Training Exp: ?
Diet: ? (calories intake, P/F/C in % and grams)

[77715576]

Whats Your stats?


Age: 23
Height: 5'10''
Weight: 175lbs
BF%: less than 10%
Cycle Exp: none
PCT Knowledge: very little
Training Exp: 5 years
Diet: 4000+ calories a day. Maintaining weight. 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bw is the only thing I know for certain.
Current training: two times a day, intense to moderate in the morning and moderate to easy in the afternoon.

Mondays-Running in the morning and bw weight work in the afternoon (pullups, pushups, dips, shit like that)
Tuesdays-Deadlifts, and strongman style events. Some vanity work in the afternoon (curls, tricep work, chest work, situps and shit)
Wednesdays-Sprints, jumps, athletic events, more bw work in the afternoon.
Thursdays-Cleans, presses, olympic style work. Short intense rowing or kettebell work in the afternoon
Friday-Long distance offroad run. MAYBE some light work in the afternoon.


I also skateboard or play basketball for a couple of hours after work most days.

[Swifto]

Test Prop

+

Halo
Winstrol
Var

(pick one)

[dec11]

wait afew years, a touch on the young side. your trainin routinue will dictate strength

[urbanbody]

Test Prop

+

Halo
Winstrol
Var

(pick one)

Halo all the way. That stuff is nuts for strength

[77715576]

wait afew years, a touch on the young side. your trainin routinue will dictate strength

I realize I can continue to make progress without drugs, I squat 365, dead 435, and run a 2 mile in 11:22. I am trying to get those numbers to at least something around 400+, 500+, and 10:45 (while keeping bw at 170lbs) before I **** with drugs. I want to tap out on my natural abilities so that a minimal amount of drugs can truthfully push me to much bigger weights and faster times. Rather than use drugs to reach my natural limit and then move to higher doses to get to bigger weights, I would prefer to reach a natural limit, use drugs to hit that next level, and then use higher doses to achieve a ridiculously high level of ability.

[77715576]

Halo all the way. That stuff is nuts for strength

I just read in the PL section that this stuff doesn't really cement strength gains, it's better used for bumping strength up for a competition, but afterwards you lose it.

Also, it seems that 12 weeks is the standard for a cycle. What are some thoughts on shorter cycles?

[Spartans09]

Anavar 60-80mg/ day for 6-8 weeks. Keep in mind it will shut down natty test production after a while and should be stacked with at least low dose test to avoid sides of low/no natty test production. You'll need a proper pct also. Var gives me sick strength gains pretty quickly.

[dec11]

I realize I can continue to make progress without drugs, I squat 365, dead 435, and run a 2 mile in 11:22. I am trying to get those numbers to at least something around 400+, 500+, and 10:45 (while keeping bw at 170lbs) before I **** with drugs. I want to tap out on my natural abilities so that a minimal amount of drugs can truthfully push me to much bigger weights and faster times. Rather than use drugs to reach my natural limit and then move to higher doses to get to bigger weights, I would prefer to reach a natural limit, use drugs to hit that next level, and then use higher doses to achieve a ridiculously high level of ability.

you'll only go so far at a certain body weight, i used to compete at 75kgs when 18, by 32 i was 100kg class all naturally btw, i kept making gains up till 33 without gear, so you've plenty of time pal

[RoadToRecovery]

My goal is to be as strong as possible at about 170 lbs which is my current weight. I want to be strong in all the compound lifts of course, but I also want to keep decently fast run times. Essentially I want to be all around strong and quick. I have been a solid 195lbs about 2 years ago. Went from 135-195 fairly easily, diet in check, lifted right all that good stuff. I dropped down to 175 while increasing my lifts, and started incorporating running, olympic lifts, more athletic style events (sprints, jumps, agility work), and strongman style events into my training. I play no sports and have no real reason for training like this other than it being what I enjoy. Been lifting for about 5 years, took one year kind of off, and have been doing this newer kind of training for about 2 years. I definitely am able to make progress without drugs, but once I start to his a limit I want to have researched enough about what would work best for someone with my goals. So again, PL/SM type strength, decent speed, and overall athletic ability gains with minimal size increase is my goal. Any ideas what I should be looking into?

First of all, let me start off by saying welcome to the forum.
Second, I will say that my favorite type of athlete to train is a power athlete so you have definitely come to the right place.

I will tell you that @ 170lbs your maintenance caloric intake is no where near 4000+ calories. Off the top of my head I would guess around 3200 and thats aiming high. That aside, 1.5g of protein per lbs of body weight is unnecessary. Carbs! You need carbs!! To help understand where power comes from chemically: ATP - Adenosine Triphosphate. ATP which is stored in your muscle is synthesized through glycolosis and in a nut shell this all comes from carbs(This is extremely dumbed down and oversimplified so bare with me). .9g of protein per body weight,15% should come from fat and the rest should be carbs.

A very general way of depicting your caloric intake from a generic performance nutrition guideline for an off-season power lifter: 20%F 25P% 55C%. So if your 170lbs @ 10%, your TDEE is roughly 3054.

According to this guideline:

67g fat
190g Protein (More than 1g per body lbs but this is a generic guideline)
419g Carbs

Now, your routine is where you actually stimulate the ATP/CP pathway.

ATP is your explosive ballistic chemical. Now like someone mentioned the bigger you are, the stronger you are. This is true. The bigger the muscle, the bigger the ATP stores.

Since you are looking for maximal strength, 3-4sets of 3-6 repititions @ 85% of your 1RM for each movement will certainly aid in your strength gains.

I could go on but I think this is enough for now. Keep in mind, the diet advice is a guideline, but I will tell you carbs are important for hypertrophy and for strength gains.

[77715576]

you'll only go so far at a certain body weight, i used to compete at 75kgs when 18, by 32 i was 100kg class all naturally btw, i kept making gains up till 33 without gear, so you've plenty of time pal

What were your other abilities like besides strength?

[Maverick_J8]

Prop, Tren, Dbol. 100/100/50 per day. Adjust dosages according to experience level.

This cycle is unbelievable for strength. The dbol will add water inevitably, but the prop and tren will harden you out somewhat. Its almost like it creates a synergy effect.

10/10 for strength imo

[laduem88]

Prop, Tren, Dbol. 100/100/50 per day. Adjust dosages according to experience level.

This cycle is unbelievable for strength. The dbol will add water inevitably, but the prop and tren will harden you out somewhat. Its almost like it creates a synergy effect.

10/10 for strength imo

thinking of doing that exact cycle but test e and tren e.....my body needs a break from ED pinning

[jordann]

Strength with minimal size? Halotestin.

[laduem88]

yea im debating between:

test/1-test cyp/halo or test/tren/dbol


i dont want to do halo with tren because i couldent imagine the aggression