Are STEROIDS for me? 6'10 442

[booney74]

hey my name is thomas, and im 21 6'10 442. and i was wondering about steroids, if they were for me. i work out about 5 times a week. i do cardio everyday. but i see o results. i feel stronger but i dont know if iam. i just wanna lose bout 80 pounds and get faster. would steroid with proper diet and exercise help or hurt me? what would you recommend? just need more info. thanks

[mad dogs]

wow big guy ,you say you want to lose around 80lbs? this tells me your way overweight ,now steroids should be the last thing you use at this stage ,they will do you way more harm then good ,your diet is the key factor here along with alot of cardio ,plese take a look at the diet forum we have here there are some very good guys there that will be more than happy to help you ,just out of intrest can you please post what you te yestaday?

meal 1 ?

meal 2 ?

meal 3 ?

ect ect

thank you.

[booney74]

i try to break my meals up. i ate that morning some pancakes, at about noon, some ham and green vegetables. and about an hour later i at the rest of that. around 6 i just wasent hungry so around 8 when i got off work i ate some lean cruisine dinners. then at ten a turkey sanwich.

[redz]

Your diet needs alot of work my friend!

[PK-V]

Diet and look into some stim's if your BP isn't too high

[JScondition]

You have to realize that just because you are not hungry does not mean do not eat. If you wait till you are hungry you tend to overeat and the extra calories you body doesnt use is stored as fat. You also should not be eating so late in the night if you are working to lose 80 lbs. I would say 9pm should be the latest to eat... and that meal should be very light. You should be breaking your meals up into 6 or 7 healthy small meals per day with Breakfast being you biggest meal. These meals should be spaced 2 to 3 hours apart. You need to add whole grains in your diet and cut out processed foods like the lean cuisines. You should also be doing 30 minutes of cardio 5 to 7 days a week at moderate to high intensity ( if you were to rate your intensity on a scale of 0-20 with zero being no effort and 20 being you have to stop because you can not accomplish the workload, you should be at a 14, 15, or 16 ).

And no do not consider AAS. If you have in depth questions about diet you can pm me and I can help you out.

[booney74]

ok, i will. but it says i dont have the privilages to contaxct anyone??

[JScondition]

maybe ask the admin or just post around to build your privileges. I'm not exactly sure when new members are allowed to post, but it says you've been a member since Dec 2007 so it must be a post number thing.

[PK-V]

You have to realize that just because you are not hungry does not mean do not eat. If you wait till you are hungry you tend to overeat and the extra calories you body doesnt use is stored as fat. You also should not be eating so late in the night if you are working to lose 80 lbs. I would say 9pm should be the latest to eat... and that meal should be very light. You should be breaking your meals up into 6 or 7 healthy small meals per day with Breakfast being you biggest meal. These meals should be spaced 2 to 3 hours apart. You need to add whole grains in your diet and cut out processed foods like the lean cuisines. You should also be doing 30 minutes of cardio 5 to 7 days a week at moderate to high intensity ( if you were to rate your intensity on a scale of 0-20 with zero being no effort and 20 being you have to stop because you can not accomplish the workload, you should be at a 14, 15, or 16 ).

And no do not consider AAS. If you have in depth questions about diet you can pm me and I can help you out.

moderate - low intensity for long duration (for fat loss)

not short high intensity

[JScondition]

moderate - low intensity for long duration (for fat loss)

not short high intensity

I would agree with that for someone getting ready for contest prep or someone who is in pretty good shape and only wants to lose a few lbs, but for an obese person you can't look at it like that. They aren't just trying to cut fat. They are trying to burn calories and a lot of them. Thats why on almost every "Diet show intervention" they will show the huge obese people kicking their asses in the gym. Not strolling on a treadmill at a moderate to low pace.

To be honest... getting on a treadmill and walking at 3 mph for an hour will not do nearly as much as getting on a treadmill and walking at 3.5 mph at a 3%incline for 30 minutes.

To you and me 3.5 mph at a 3% incline would be moderate to low intensity, but to an obese person that is not easy at all. To have moderate to low intensity for an hour for an obese person they would probably set the treadmill to 2.5 and walk and would probably get joint discomfort for being up for too long. Therefore they would probably not accomplish their calorie burning goals and do no good for their fat loss goal.

[B1gDaddy]

cardio at 60-80% of ur max heart rate is another common way of doing cardio. Once in the AM on an empty stomache when u wake up, once PWO, 20 minutes at least both times, if its too much for you then just work your way up.

[Bossman]

Moderate - low intensity for long duration (for fat loss)

not short high intensity

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[Bossman]

I would agree with that for someone getting ready for contest prep or someone who is in pretty good shape and only wants to lose a few lbs, but for an obese person you can't look at it like that. They aren't just trying to cut fat. They are trying to burn calories and a lot of them. Thats why on almost every "Diet show intervention" they will show the huge obese people kicking their asses in the gym. Not strolling on a treadmill at a moderate to low pace.

To be honest... getting on a treadmill and walking at 3 mph for an hour will not do nearly as much as getting on a treadmill and walking at 3.5 mph at a 3%incline for 30 minutes.

To you and me 3.5 mph at a 3% incline would be moderate to low intensity, but to an obese person that is not easy at all. To have moderate to low intensity for an hour for an obese person they would probably set the treadmill to 2.5 and walk and would probably get joint discomfort for being up for too long. Therefore they would probably not accomplish their calorie burning goals and do no good for their fat loss goal.

How do you think his joints would do at high intensity? Better off to start slow and increase the speed and intensity as his condition develops. Low and slow is how you burn fat.

[JScondition]

How do you think his joints would do at high intensity? Better off to start slow and increase the speed and intensity as his condition develops. Low and slow is how you burn fat.

Im not saying don't start with what you can tolerate and work up to it. I am just saying for the obese person training goals are not the same as a physically active person. I am just following ACSM guidelines for physical activity. Not bodybuilding guidelines for in shape people. I'm not making this stuff up.

http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?...CONTENTID=7764

[Injected21]

Im not saying don't start with what you can tolerate and work up to it. I am just saying for the obese person training goals are not the same as a physically active person. I am just following ACSM guidelines for physical activity. Not bodybuilding guidelines for in shape people. I'm not making this stuff up.

http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?...CONTENTID=7764

Both ways of going about cardio list above are good opinions. I would also think if he were able to do moderate intensity it would be better. Once he gets to about 20% bf then i think the slow "fat burn" cardio would serve him well.

[RoadToRecovery]

I would agree with that for someone getting ready for contest prep or someone who is in pretty good shape and only wants to lose a few lbs, but for an obese person you can't look at it like that. They aren't just trying to cut fat. They are trying to burn calories and a lot of them. Thats why on almost every "Diet show intervention" they will show the huge obese people kicking their asses in the gym. Not strolling on a treadmill at a moderate to low pace.

To be honest... getting on a treadmill and walking at 3 mph for an hour will not do nearly as much as getting on a treadmill and walking at 3.5 mph at a 3%incline for 30 minutes.

To you and me 3.5 mph at a 3% incline would be moderate to low intensity, but to an obese person that is not easy at all. To have moderate to low intensity for an hour for an obese person they would probably set the treadmill to 2.5 and walk and would probably get joint discomfort for being up for too long. Therefore they would probably not accomplish their calorie burning goals and do no good for their fat loss goal.

Obese people lose weight just like Athletes do however the rate of loss varies due to essential fats that are stored vs. excess fat. It has nothing to do with the specific activity. Its about your heart rate. What you need to do is figure out your THR (Target Heart Rate) by using the karvonen method.

Below is an example of the Karvonen formula for a 23 year old person with a resting heart rate of 65 beats per minute (*to get your resting heart rate, take your pulse for one full minute when you first wake up in the morning or after you've resting for a while). This formula also includes an updated calculation of maximum heart rate (the previous formula was 220 - age, which has now been shown to be inaccurate):

206.9 - (0.67 x 23 (age)) = 191
191 - 65 (resting heart rate) = 126
126 * 65% (low end of heart rate zone) OR 85% (high end) = 82 OR 107
82 + 65 (resting heart rate) = 147
107 + 65 (rhr) = 172
The target heart rate zone for this person would be 147 to 172

You want to stay around 65-70% intensity for effective fat burning.

But this is just a puzzle piece. A small one at that. Diet is where you should really start being that diet is 80% of your physique.

[Bossman]

Im not saying don't start with what you can tolerate and work up to it. I am just saying for the obese person training goals are not the same as a physically active person. I am just following ACSM guidelines for physical activity. Not bodybuilding guidelines for in shape people. I'm not making this stuff up.

http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?...CONTENTID=7764

What are the ACSM guidelines for someone trying to lose fat while still maintaining as much lean mass as possible?

[JScondition]

What are the ACSM guidelines for someone trying to lose fat while still maintaining as much lean mass as possible?

he is trying to lose 80 lbs... maintaining muscle mass IMO is not as important as losing weight for a morbidly obese person. And no offense booney, but you are morbidly obese. His bmi is 46.2. Its not a matter of him losing fat to look good its a matter of him losing weight to stay alive.

I am not disagreeing with you at all that someone who is trying to lose fat should do so with low intensity cardio. I want to make that clear; however, you have to see that not everyone can be treated the same way, and there is more than one way of doing things.

Here is a research article that I found that in a way proves us both right.
"30 to 45 minutes of physical activity of moderate intensity, performed 3 to 5 days a week, should be encouraged. All adults should set a long-term goal to accumulate at least 30 minutes or more of moderate-intensity physical activity on most, and preferably all days. Public health interventions promoting walking are likely to be the most successful. Indeed, walking is unique because of its safety, accessibility, and popularity. It is noteworthy that there is a clear dissociation between the adaptation of cardiorespiratory fitness and the improvements in the metabolic risk profile that can be induced by endurance training programs. It appears that as long as the increase in energy expenditure is sufficient, low-intensity endurance exercise is likely to generate beneficial metabolic effects that would be essentially similar to those produced by high-intensity exercise. The clinician should therefore focus on the improvement of the metabolic profile rather than on weight loss alone.

link if you would like to read the abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11570117

There are obviously arguments for both points. Low and slow burns fat which he needs. Moderate to high burns calories and improves cardiovascular fitness. In the end he just needs to improve his body and can do so in many different ways.

[Rockin Z28]

6'10...442?!? im not sure if steroids are for you but professional wrestling definately is

[ortega_michael408]

wow your too big in first place and 6'10'' 442is extreamly over you need to at lease drop 110lbs and to do this fast and of course safely you need to consume between 20 to 60 carbs a day your allowed 300 a day so drop to 20 to 60 and try to do your cardio around 20 mins basicallyany cardiomin starts to eat our muscel fibers that means catabolic state and you dont want that do more weight training and yourgoing to burn so much more calories then cardio alone and always remeber 80% of your gains is what you EAT that saying you are what you eat is so true so if i were you steroids is the last thing you want cuz is going to have opposit affect on you it only going to add weight to you and it be all waist money and time good luck

[RoadToRecovery]

wow your too big in first place and 6'10'' 442is extreamly over you need to at lease drop 110lbs and to do this fast and of course safely you need to consume between 20 to 60 carbs a day your allowed 300 a day so drop to 20 to 60 and try to do your cardio around 20 mins basicallyany cardiomin starts to eat our muscel fibers that means catabolic state and you dont want that do more weight training and yourgoing to burn so much more calories then cardio alone and always remeber 80% of your gains is what you EAT that saying you are what you eat is so true so if i were you steroids is the last thing you want cuz is going to have opposit affect on you it only going to add weight to you and it be all waist money and time good luck

Hang on, not so fast. We are yet to know this guys body composition.

[americanoak]

wow your too big in first place and 6'10'' 442is extreamly over you need to at lease drop 110lbs and to do this fast and of course safely you need to consume between 20 to 60 carbs a day your allowed 300 a day so drop to 20 to 60 and try to do your cardio around 20 mins basicallyany cardiomin starts to eat our muscel fibers that means catabolic state and you dont want that do more weight training and yourgoing to burn so much more calories then cardio alone and always remeber 80% of your gains is what you EAT that saying you are what you eat is so true so if i were you steroids is the last thing you want cuz is going to have opposit affect on you it only going to add weight to you and it be all waist money and time good luck

Im not saying he should use steroids(because he def shouldnt), but if he did a cutting cycle there is no doubt he would lose weight....

[Damienm05]

you need to consume between 20 to 60 carbs a day your allowed 300 a day so drop to 20 to 60

I don't think you should give diet advice... ever again.

[ortega_michael408]

Just thats was my home work i done and worked for me when i cut down but with out gear of course

[workoutfreak078]

Just thats was my home work i done and worked for me when i cut down but with out gear of course

Well, are you 6'10 and 442lbs? I'm guessing you are not.

Also, about that cardio thing: Since this guy isn't in the best shape, he should do low to moderate intensity for a longer period of time. When he gets into better shape, very high intensity for a shorter length of time would be much more beneficial. It is well known that low intensity for a long period of time targets your fat stores, but doing higher intensity for a short period of time burns more calories, hence more fat is burned that week. Not only that, but your metabolism is boosted for a much, much longer period of time even after you have finished running.

Once again, cardio at a low pace and longer period of time was proven to work. Times change, new things are proven more efficient. Recent studies have been shown that very high intensity for shorter period of time is much more beneficial for burning fat.

I do 20 minutes of cardio at very high intensity after my workouts and I get into single digit bodyfat without a problem. Yes, just 20 minutes.

[hankdiesel]

Im not saying he should use steroids(because he def shouldnt), but if he did a cutting cycle there is no doubt he would lose weight....

Why would he lose weight from taking steroids?

[forestcall]

Hmmm I need to dig up some articles for everyone...

There has been extensive studies about "curing" AIDS with anabolic steroids as many might already know. In some studies there were obese patients that started taking Oxandrolone and then once they got in shape they began to utilize other anabolic's.

I would say that taking a LOW dose of Oxandrolone like 20mg - 30mg daily would help speed his body up. (Powder form is much much cheaper than finished packaged product)

Just a thought.....

[Bossman]

he is trying to lose 80 lbs... maintaining muscle mass IMO is not as important as losing weight f

This site is all about keeping and building as much muscle as you can.

[PK-V]

Why would he lose weight from taking steroids?

I think what he means is using a low dose for the anti-catabolic effect rather then for growth, so he can cut calories and not need to worry about loosing much muscle mass and maybe thrown in an anti e as well

[forestcall]

This site is all about keeping and building as much muscle as you can.

Yes correct-

However this site is also about "steroids".

The original poster wants to lose 80 pounds and asked if using steroids would help him lose weight. If so what steroid would be best for slimming?

The fact is steroids are great for losing weight.

I think most of the people telling this guy steroids would NOT be good for him until he loses weight and gets some muscle are missing a key point to the actual need of the original poster. He wants to lose weight.

Yes the answer is steroids would be very useful in losing weight.
For this particular situation keeping or gaining muscle is not important.

So if someone would be so kind as to inform what would be the best steroid with the least amount of side affects for losing weight.

Seems to me Anavar is my guess.

[Bossman]

Yes correct-

However this site is also about "steroids".

The original poster wants to lose 80 pounds and asked if using steroids would help him lose weight. If so what steroid would be best for slimming?

The fact is steroids are great for losing weight.

I think most of the people telling this guy steroids would NOT be good for him until he loses weight and gets some muscle are missing a key point to the actual need of the original poster. He wants to lose weight.

Yes the answer is steroids would be very useful in losing weight.
For this particular situation keeping or gaining muscle is not important.

So if someone would be so kind as to inform what would be the best steroid with the least amount of side affects for losing weight.

Seems to me Anavar is my guess.

No, he shouldn't be using any steroids at this point. His bf% is way to high. And, he's too young.

Read some of the stickies:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

[D_iamond]

i think clen would be a good combo with cardio.

[D_iamond]

maybe a machete would help lol

[tronics]

he would be doing more harm then good with steriods...as cjb said his bodyfat is way to high for it and the sides would be that much greater...

diet and cardio will help with the wieght loss...and theres some great info for you in the diet forums...

[OH REALLY]

i think clen would be a good combo with cardio.

i think he should be careful with clen right now because he mite be at high risk of a heart attack

[forestcall]

Perhaps 10mg to 20mg of Anavar would boost his body chemistry without doing any real damage.

I get what you all are saying. Yes it could be dangerous if he does a typical bodybuilder cycle.

LOW LOW dosages can be beneficial.

Perhaps seeing a doctor might be a good way to manage this process.

[americanoak]

Why would he lose weight from taking steroids?

He would increase his muscle mass, he wouldnt use steroids without working out, so he would lose weight from working out. With the increased rate of muscle growth from the steroids he would lose more fat then if he were not taking.

This also depends on what steroid he took, but aas like Var have shown to decrease body fat while increase lean muscle mass. People say steroids do not burn body fat, but it is much easier.

and also what he is saying:

I think what he means is using a low dose for the anti-catabolic effect rather then for growth, so he can cut calories and not need to worry about loosing much muscle mass and maybe thrown in an anti e as well

(i am not saing he should use steroids, he is 21, overweight, doesnt know how to lift (im guessing), isn't in very good shape from what I can understand, and has no conecept of what a diet is)

[Exilus]

if hes 6'10 then a "OK" weight is like 310 lbs for him......he isn't THAT overweight.

[RoadToRecovery]

Perhaps 10mg to 20mg of Anavar would boost his body chemistry without doing any real damage.

I get what you all are saying. Yes it could be dangerous if he does a typical bodybuilder cycle.

LOW LOW dosages can be beneficial.

Perhaps seeing a doctor might be a good way to manage this process.

Its dangerous if he is obese. Hypertension and heart conditions are the last thing a person needs that is obese. All of your advice is dangerous.

[RoadToRecovery]

if hes 6'10 then a "OK" weight is like 310 lbs for him......he isn't THAT overweight.

310lbs is ok for a person that is 6'10"? If this was the case, 442 isnt over weight? No matter your height 130lbs over weight is THAT overweight.