How much safer and effective are low dose cycles?

[Grewup85]

I havent ran a cycle in 3 1/2 yrs im 25 and i wanted to get back on but not in a big way and i was wondering how effective would it be if i was to do 250 mg's a week compared too 500mg-1000? Also side effects wouldnt be as extream like bloating or any acne.

[Hard.On]

250 is a waste IMO.
Your just substituting your natural test and upping it a bit.

500mg is the reccomended lowest dose you should run of test. IMO

[Bossman]

^^I agree, you will be taking enough to shut you down, but not enough to get much in the way of gains. Sides won't be as bad, but neither will the benefits.

[dec11]

disagree, im on 250mg cruise/trt pw and am getting great results from it, my appetite isnt ruined as was on 500-875mg pw. the ave male produces 7mg test per day so 250 pw is going to be quite a bit more

[Ernst]

My first cycle was just 350mg/wk test by itself and I loved it. I wouldn't have gone lower and I doubt I needed to go any higher. Just my 2¢.

[Hard.On]

disagree, im on 250mg cruise/trt pw and am getting great results from it, my appetite isnt ruined as was on 500-875mg pw. the ave male produces 7mg test per day so 250 pw is going to be quite a bit more

true enough,

but question for you.
Were you the average male or did you have low test so you went on trt?

[dec11]

true enough,

but question for you.
Were you the average male or did you have low test so you went on trt?

i knew i wasnt recovering as much after each cycle (last one being particularily crap come down) and knew i wasnt gona stop cycling so i sold my soul and went on cruise/trt. it doesnt matter if someone is ave or not, 250mg test per wk is 250mg test and will be considerably more than what is naturally produced

[Bossman]

disagree, im on 250mg cruise/trt pw and am getting great results from it, my appetite isnt ruined as was on 500-875mg pw. the ave male produces 7mg test per day so 250 pw is going to be quite a bit more

I cruise on 250 between cycles. No gaining for me on that. Everyone is different but 250 isn't much.

[bjohnson1968]

not to mention your natty test is shut down its really irreleventyou cant just add what your natty test would be to your cycle doesnt work that way

Peace

[D_iamond]

if you are going to do such a low dose why dont you just boost your natural levels with nolvadex or arimidex? that way no hpta shut down and you will get a lil test boost that will help you gain more muscle speacally cause your test is prolly very good right now any way being 25

[the big 1]

is test for everyone?, i mean would anyone grow on 500mg of test a week with good diet??

im just curious, because surely the average guy couldnt just add that sort of mass from 1 cycle

[the big 1]

if you are going to do such a low dose why dont you just boost your natural levels with nolvadex or arimidex? that way no hpta shut down and you will get a lil test boost that will help you gain more muscle speacally cause your test is prolly very good right now any way being 25

yeah, and he will feel like shit

[dec11]

I cruise on 250 between cycles. No gaining for me on that. Everyone is different but 250 isn't much.

more in the sense of slow gains and good strength and recovery, with creatine i find it great and am lifting again like i was when i was alot younger

[c-Z]

disagree, im on 250mg cruise/trt pw and am getting great results from it, my appetite isnt ruined as was on 500-875mg pw. the ave male produces 7mg test per day so 250 pw is going to be quite a bit more

Disagree. You aren't technically getting 250mgs of testosterone. Assuming it is test e or test c you have take into consideration of the ester. Unless your shooting suspension you aren't getting that full 250. I forget exact amount but its more so about 160-170 i think IIRC. Average male is 50-75mgs per week.

So you aren't getting that much more. Is it worth someone to shut down there testosterone to cycle 250mgs per week. No gains will be minimal. yes you will see some slight gains of course because it is an increase in testosterone. But once again. Your on trt. Is it worth him shutting it down for a dose so low. No.

[D7M]

I've cruised at 250mg/wk and still made gains.

Not incredible gains, but gains.

If you haven't tried lower doses, then you really don't know.

But, as said above, everyone is different,

so you just have to try it for yourself and find out.

[Hazard]

IMO..... your goals are whats going to determine if it will be worth it or not.....

If your goal is to gain 10-15lbs in a few months..... then 250mg's/wk isn't going to cut it - but if you're looking for slow steady gains...... 250mg's/wk may be the way for you to go.

The point is..... you will shut down your natural test production either way. So how much test you use will depend on your goals for the cycle.

~Haz~

[dec11]

Disagree. You aren't technically getting 250mgs of testosterone. Assuming it is test e or test c you have take into consideration of the ester. Unless your shooting suspension you aren't getting that full 250. I forget exact amount but its more so about 160-170 i think IIRC. Average male is 50-75mgs per week.

So you aren't getting that much more. Is it worth someone to shut down there testosterone to cycle 250mgs per week. No gains will be minimal. yes you will see some slight gains of course because it is an increase in testosterone. But once again. Your on trt. Is it worth him shutting it down for a dose so low. No.

yeah i was on the premise the guys on this thread would know it wasnt the full whack of 250mg due to the esters, i was just using the measure as a guide. i have heard of 1st timers blowing up pretty good on 250mg for their 1st cycle though and personally ive made more gains in 11wks on 250mg pw than i did on my last cycle which included 875mgs pw and oral kick and oral midway through. im also putting this down to variables like appetite disappearing on high doses and generally feeling out of kilter so again its something ppl have to work out for themselves

[dec11]

IMO..... your goals are whats going to determine if it will be worth it or not.....

If your goal is to gain 10-15lbs in a few months..... then 250mg's/wk isn't going to cut it - but if you're looking for slow steady gains...... 250mg's/wk may be the way for you to go.

The point is..... you will shut down your natural test production either way. So how much test you use will depend on your goals for the cycle.

~Haz~

again this is diff for diff ppl, i have 14lbs on in 11wks on the trt dose. i'd never of thought it would yield much gains either, until i tried it. just a personal experience mate

[Hazard]

again this is diff for diff ppl, i have 14lbs on in 11wks on the trt dose. i'd never of thought it would yield much gains either, until i tried it. just a personal experience mate

I just threw a number out there

I'd imagine your more dedicated than most people just getting into the scene tho. Not that that gives them the right or the "ok" to do more.....

~Haz~

[delta1111]

I need a gram per week to grow.

[dec11]

I just threw a number out there

I'd imagine your more dedicated than most people just getting into the scene tho. Not that that gives them the right or the "ok" to do more.....

~Haz~

yeah very true mate, alot of variables, for me id say its the fact i can eat prob twice as much at a low dose of test than i could on high dose cycle. its good to have the a-z of experiences on a thread like this, the noobs can then see AAS arent a magic wand

[c-Z]

A lot of variables for sure... But me personally. I wouldn't shut myself down for a trt dose. at min i would keep to maybe 400mgs.

[D_iamond]

yeah, and he will feel like shit

jw why would he feel like shit? have you ever used these when you werent just coming off of a cycle? maybe thats why you felt like shit.

[fattywarbucks]

Here's my educated but inexperienced guesses:
1) size dependant. Two users, 0ne 5'9" 180, the other,6'2" 215, I would assume that the smaller guy would make better gains on a smaller dose
2) age: an older guy with lower test levels would obviously see a more noted difference on a low injection due to a larger change in test levels.
3) someone who is sensitive to estrogen aromitization. A lower level of inj test may trigger a lower aromitase response resulting in higher levels of test. The less that is converted to estrogen, the higher remaining test. Estro-prone and lower dose test may be good (just a guess, no supporting science I can quote)
4) stacking. I have posted the study in two other posts: the university of cali found that 200mg/wk of test enth, stacked with 20mg/day anavar is as effective as 600mg/week of test enth alone in hiv wasting patients...which leads to the next point
5) the newer one is to weight training, the more sensitive their androgen receptors may be. It makes sense. Having fewer receptors, the easier it would be to flood them with testosterone. If you think of receptor sites as surface area, greater surface area obviously requires a greater volume of test for full coverage

I've never cycled, some I'm very interested to see how this argument turns out.
I'm currently deciding between a standard 500mg begginer cycle, and a low dose enth/var stack, or perhaps a lower dose test only cycle

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[Test247]

At 200mg (30% is ester) a week when I was cruising between cycles I had my test checked and it was over 2x the top of the scale on FREE test.

My total test was at about 80% of the top of the scale, so in the high normal range.

My SHBG was at the absolute lowest # on the scale, so for some reason I don't make much SHBG and that gives me a ton of free test even with a low dose, but as you can see for a regular person 200mg would just put you near the higher end of normal.

My estrogen was middle of the road exactly.

[Test247]

test is not weight dependent like a drug. 100mg is 100mg no matter how much you weigh.

[marcus300]

if you are going to do such a low dose why dont you just boost your natural levels with nolvadex or arimidex? that way no hpta shut down and you will get a lil test boost that will help you gain more muscle speacally cause your test is prolly very good right now any way being 25

Thats not right<

Nolva will raise your total T if your suffering from low test, it wont raise your Test above baseline levels thats why its good for pct.

[delta1111]

jw why would he feel like shit? have you ever used these when you werent just coming off of a cycle? maybe thats why you felt like shit.

I get depressed when I come off.

[taiboxa]

is test for everyone?, i mean would anyone grow on 500mg of test a week with good diet??

im just curious, because surely the average guy couldnt just add that sort of mass from 1 cycle

test has never been very good to me as far as growth goes.. i see results 10x better from nors and dhts

[delta1111]

test has never been very good to me as far as growth goes.. i see results 10x better from nors and dhts

Hi there, Please give examples of what nors and dhts you mean and in what doses?

[hankdiesel]

I cruise on 250 between cycles. No gaining for me on that. Everyone is different but 250 isn't much.

However, if you never cycled before and you took 250mg of test a week for 10-12 weeks you would see some nice gains. I've experienced this and seen it with others first hand.

[alpenguy]

However, if you never cycled before and you took 250mg of test a week for 10-12 weeks you would see some nice gains. I've experienced this and seen it with others first hand.

Agree- It all depends on the person and their goals and how they train. No need to use more then you can utilize. You might find 250mgs/wk is just the kick you need without suffering through pct.