First cycle, sust. alone or should I stack.

[mehal]

So I've done my research, I have a good base from hard training and my diet is good to go. Being my first cycle (wanting to bulk) I fugured sust alone would do the trick, but I'm not sure if it would be more beneficial to stack it. I plan on a 6 week cycle on sust. I want to stick with injectables so if a stack would be better, what do you suggest? Thanks!

I', 185lbs, 5'9 40 years old. I would like to put on a few pounds of muscle.

[B1gDaddy]

You say you've done your research but you want to do a 6 week cycle of sust? It takes about 5 weeks for it to even start kicking in fully... you'd be wasting your money. If your looking to bulk up, a simpler cycle to go for would be test e an dbol.

btw, whats ur bf%?

[HawaiianPride.]

Got your pct on hand already? If so what exactly?

[Morgoth]

I too am planning a Sust only cycle of 250mg/week for 8 weeks. This thread is relevent to my interests.

Btw do you have increased aggression on sust?

[glennyo1981]

do 12 weeks!!! trust me

[gymmonster]

stick with sust only for the first cycle, lm on wk 8 of my first cycle sust only the results are really showing now, l started gaining strength by wk 3 but you should run more than 6
as bigdaddy stated it would be a waste.If you havent already got the sust though l would do more research, cyp or test e is better for a first cycle. l wish l would have known that, you have to inject pretty frequent with sust to get full benefits.
lf you already have it though sust is awesome and as long as you do a longer than 6 wk cycle youll love it.
PCT IS A MUST

[Black]

To get the full benefits of sust it should be injected EOD or E3D at the least. Running it once a week is a waste.

Shorter esters for shorter cycles. Test Prop and/or Tren A and orals can be used on 6-8 week cycles.

Long ester for longer cycles. IMO, sust should be ran for 12 weeks.

I'm curious as to why first timers usually want to use sust.

[B1gDaddy]

Sust doesnt have to be injected eod.. myself and many others have ran it injecting once a week. Im injecting 500mg once a week right now on my cycle.

[grapejuice11]

i wouldnt do sus for first cycle...test e all the way

[Morgoth]

Sust is popular for first cyclers because its one of the eakest steroid out there. Weak steroids, weak sides.

[Dr Pepper]

I wouldn't do anything less than 12 weeks like everyone else has said. To have good gains u need 500mg at least and good pct to keep them... I'v just finished week 4 of 12 of 500mg sust and dbol 30mg Ed for the first foUr weeks and iv gained 12lbs, very happy !

[mehal]

Thanks guys, good replies. By having done my research I meant as far as if going on is right for me. Dosage injection intervals and pct are to be ironed out before the big day. I was just sort of worried about my age and thought it might be wise to do a shorter cycle for less impact on my system. I forgot to mention that I actually did a few cycles 15 years ago but now I must re-learn all the finer details to do it right.
I'm not in a rush plus my deads have to be higher before I do go on. My bf is about 14% and it's only in my belly. I'm sure I'll do away with that quickly when it's cutt'n time as I've always been pretty lean

[NMacFar]

Stack it with a PH like MDROL.

[Black]

Sust doesnt have to be injected eod.. myself and many others have ran it injecting once a week. Im injecting 500mg once a week right now on my cycle.

If you are going to run it once a week, then why wouldn't you just use Cyp or Enan?

At the very least, do bi-weekly injections.

[Black]

Sust is popular for first cyclers because its one of the eakest steroid out there. Weak steroids, weak sides.

How's it weak? It's test. So is Test Cyp, Enan and Prop weak too?

[B1gDaddy]

If you are going to run it once a week, then why wouldn't you just use Cyp or Enan?

At the very least, do bi-weekly injections.

Im running a cutting cycle, so winny will come in at week 6. 500mg once a week is fine. only benefit of doing it twice a week is more stable blood levels. so isnt a big difference...

[Black]

Im running a cutting cycle, so winny will come in at week 6. 500mg once a week is fine. only benefit of doing it twice a week is more stable blood levels. so isnt a big difference...

When injecting once a week, how are you utilizing the shorts esters of the sust?

[B1gDaddy]

Sust is a mix of 4 tests, so many different esters all releasing at different times, not all early, you could inject once a month an have the different easter being released throughout that month. I know that i SHOULD inject every 3.5days cause of the prop in sust, but injecting once a week and having a sore ass for a whole week is enough for me and i'll still see results this way cause i've seen a lot of guys at the gym do the same thing, but i actually have my diet in check and do cardio in the am and pwo.

if i was going according to the life of the tests in sust. id have to inject everyday cause of the testosterone propionate and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.. so i cant really shoot for each individual test in sust.

[Bossman]

Sust is a mix of 4 tests, so many different esters all releasing at different times, not all early, you could inject once a month an have the different easter being released throughout that month. I know that i SHOULD inject every 3.5days cause of the prop in sust, but injecting once a week and having a sore ass for a whole week is enough for me and i'll still see results this way cause i've seen a lot of guys at the gym do the same thing, but i actually have my diet in check and do cardio in the am and pwo.

If it's not shot more frequently your test levels will fluctuate. When your levels are not steady you open yourself up to more sides. Ive seen guys shoot sus twice a week and get by, once a week or less would really be setting yourself up for issues.

Lately, it seems that this product has fallen out of favor with Steroid.com members, as many feel that the inclusion of the Propionate and phenylpropionate estered forms of testosterone in this blend would necessitate shooting every other day. This stems from the fact that testosterone propionate would be shot every other day at least, and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.

[B1gDaddy]

Yeah I read that on the profile too. I had planned on changing to pin twice per week once my body is used to the sust and the injection sites dont kill me and dont effect my workouts anymore. cause injecting once a week leaves me crippled, all 3 injections so far its been the same.

[Black]

Sust is a mix of 4 tests, so many different esters all releasing at different times, not all early, you could inject once a month an have the different easter being released throughout that month. I know that i SHOULD inject every 3.5days cause of the prop in sust, but injecting once a week and having a sore ass for a whole week is enough for me and i'll still see results this way cause i've seen a lot of guys at the gym do the same thing, but i actually have my diet in check and do cardio in the am and pwo.

if i was going according to the life of the tests in sust. id have to inject everyday cause of the testosterone propionate and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.. so i cant really shoot for each individual test in sust.

Again stating the point of what I said earlier. If you are only going to inject once a week, Test Cyp or Enan is a much better option.

Im running a cutting cycle, so winny will come in at week 6. 500mg once a week is fine. only benefit of doing it twice a week is more stable blood levels. so isnt a big difference...

More stable blood levels isn't a big difference?! HA! Of all the advice many users ignore on these boards, hopefully this is some of it.

[B1gDaddy]

It'll make a difference with side effects. Im ready with a PCT so im not too worried about it. Im not prone to side effects either, ive done a cycle with no pct before and had 0 sides. So once again, it isnt a big deal, for me.

And im already in the third week of my cycle so i cant really change the test im using now. So im doing the best i can with the sust. and like ive said, i will be changing to twice a week pins when my body can handle sust better so that it doesnt effect my workouts.

OH, and last cycle i did the same thing, injected once a week, weeks 1-5, 6 and onwards i pinned 250mg twice a week. No pct.. no sides.

I get what your saying, but this works for me.

[Phate]

I too am planning a Sust only cycle of 250mg/week for 8 weeks. This thread is relevent to my interests.

Btw do you have increased aggression on sust?

you can, btw, what you are taking is a TRT dosage, but if it works for you that's great

Sust doesnt have to be injected eod.. myself and many others have ran it injecting once a week. Im injecting 500mg once a week right now on my cycle.

just because you have anecdotal evidence doesn't mean it's correct, we are trying to tell you the BEST way to do things, though there are alternate ways

Sust is popular for first cyclers because its one of the eakest steroid out there. Weak steroids, weak sides.

really? extrapolate please, i've got to hear how testosterone is weak

Stack it with a PH like MDROL.

why?

It'll make a difference with side effects. Im ready with a PCT so im not too worried about it. Im not prone to side effects either, ive done a cycle with no pct before and had 0 sides. So once again, it isnt a big deal, for me.

And im already in the third week of my cycle so i cant really change the test im using now. So im doing the best i can with the sust. and like ive said, i will be changing to twice a week pins when my body can handle sust better so that it doesnt effect my workouts.

pct isn't for sides, and just because you don't notice them doesn't mean they aren't there, do people notice cancer before it turns malignant? no always, the damage being done is primarily internal at at the cellular level, the manifestations you see in the form of physical sides are just extensions of that damage

[B1gDaddy]

I know it isn't the best way, I just said in the post before yours that this is what worked for me and may not work for others... and i gave my reasons to why i am doing it.

as for the pct.. isnt pct for bringing your test levels back to normal and to help reduce sides?

[Phate]

I know it isn't the best way, I just said in the post before yours that this is what worked for me and may not work for others... and i gave my reasons to why i am doing it.

as for the the pct.. isnt pct for bringing your test levels back to normal and to help reduce sides?

pct is to return your hormone levels(not just testosterone, but LH, FSH, estrogen, etc...) back to equilibrium, it doesn't reduce side effects, though it would eliminate them since the compounds causing them would be discontinued

[B1gDaddy]

thats basically what i thought i had said, i was just being cautious when i said it reduces sides instead of eliminating.

[Phate]

thats basically what i thought i had said, i was just being cautious when i said it reduces sides instead of eliminating.

gotcha, yeah the sides are eliminated because pct doesn't start(or shouldn't at least) until the compounds are inactive in your body, if they are still active then the pct isn't going to do anything

[B1gDaddy]

kk cool. I got some shizz i wanna ask you but i dont wanna make this thread go anymore off topic than it is lol. I'll throw you a PM

[Phate]

kk cool. I got some shizz i wanna ask you but i dont wanna make this thread go anymore off topic than it is lol. I'll throw you a PM

sounds good

[mehal]

So I guess if I turn the sust cycle into a twelve week, I need not stack it?
LOL

[Bossman]

So I guess if I turn the sust cycle into a twelve week, I need not stack it?
LOL

Nah, just stick with the sus for 12 weeks. I think you will be very satisfied as long as you have your diet and training set.

[mehal]

Hell, I may as well ask for any more suggestions for my pct while were on a roll. I can use it as a base for my research before I get started. I figure I have about a month before I'm ready to go.

[Bossman]

Hell, I may as well ask for any more suggestions for my pct while were on a roll. I can use it as a base for my research before I get started. I figure I have about a month before I'm ready to go.

Take a look at the PCT forum. There are some stickies at the top. Pretty basic for a sus only cycle.

[mehal]

Thanks a lot!, I didn't think a stack would be requires seeing as that I'm fresh meat and all. ha ha... I'm gonna research the hell out of pct anyway.

[Aodha]

First cycle? Don't do sust, you'll regret it. Do test E. Simple two shots a week.

[Dr Pepper]

First cycle? Don't do sust, you'll regret it. Do test E. Simple two shots a week.

Why? I'm doing for my first cycle, halfway through... Great resuls, loving it...

[oldschoolfitness]

my first second and third cycles were sust 500mg week. i took one shot a week and the results were out the roof. i gained almost 50lbs in 8 months i took 3 6week cycles on and off through that peroid. of course i gained some fat and water but a lot of the gains i kept after. i went from jan/ 210lbs to october 255-260lbs bodyweight. my bench was 320lbs 1 rep max to 350 for 4 reps last set. sust is great i think 8- 10 weeks would be better, but you will get results. and if i was going to inject e.o.d. i would just inject e.d. and use test prop. sust. can be injected 1x week i have done it and it works. everybody has their own way of doing things. good luck man

[Tyler694]

First cycle? Don't do sust, you'll regret it. Do test E. Simple two shots a week.

Agreed. Pick a single ester test..