blood pressure...anything other than meds?

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 09:05 AM

My blood pressure always seems to be high during cycles...yesterday it even got to 155/100 and right now its 147/90...way too high for me.

i only started the cycle a week in half ago so far its just test and eq(might be the eq?)...

I eat clean, low sodium, high water intake, cardio 4xweek for 45mins, and i started these supps w my cycle for bp control coq10, hawthorn berry, baby asprin and i also take fish oils,ect..

are bp meds my only choice at this point or is there something else i can do before heading to the doc? im gonna get ginko bilbo and garlic supp also, but cant imagine it to do too much...

thanks

**Hazard** · 04-13-2010, 09:15 AM

You've listed every single suppliment I was going to tell you about LOL..... try adding the garlic and see if it helps. If this is only something that happens on cycle then I don't think it's hereditary..... Maybe try talking to your doc and see what else can be done.

~Haz~

**NMacFar** · 04-13-2010, 09:16 AM

Tronics,

coq10, hawthorn berry, baby asprin and fish oils should be helping you. They might be the reason you're not at 160 as apposed to your 155. It's high, we both know it. I would suggest getting it checked out if it stays the same.

BTW, what test are you taking, how many mg a week and how many times are you shooting a week?

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 09:28 AM

i just started but im taking:

test prop 700mg/week
eq 600mg/week
proviron 25mg/day

adding in anavar in afew weeks at 70-80mg/day

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 09:29 AM

also taking adex .25eod i dont really see any bloat so i dont think thats whats causing the bp, you think i should increase to .25 ed or .5 eod and see if that helps a bit? i dont want to wipe my estrogen out either

thanks guys

**JasonT** · 04-13-2010, 09:41 AM

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**NMacFar** · 04-13-2010, 09:42 AM

Are you shooting twice a week, EOD?

**Nooomoto** · 04-13-2010, 09:52 AM

Get two eggplants, chop them up, blend the chunks with water and strain the juice out. Drink the resulting juice every day for a week. You should start to feel better. Repeat as needed.

Don't ask me how it works. It's some Indian jungle trick.

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by NMacFar

Are you shooting twice a week, EOD?

shooting test ed and eq e3d

my diastolic is at 100 right now...

**NMacFar** · 04-13-2010, 12:10 PM

Thats stage 2 hypertension..... Bad news. What are you using to monitor your BP?

**NMacFar** · 04-13-2010, 12:14 PM

Cut out all caffeine, nicotine and any other stimulants you might be on.

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 12:23 PM

cut caffeine out 3 days ago...dont smoke.

went to doc just now he gave me a script for enalapril(vasotec) 2.5mg anyone know about this bp med he said its the lowest possible dose...

i guess on cycle ill have to use it and then taper off after is that how you guys take bp meds for cycles?

thanks much appreciated!

**NMacFar** · 04-13-2010, 12:52 PM

I know nothing about it but keep me posted. I might look into it for myself!

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 01:22 PM

i definately will....

i just added ginko bilbo, garlic, and lycopene supps to the mix and i just dropped my bp almost 10 points on both sides! ill keep checking the reading but if thats so then wow..

**tronics** · 04-13-2010, 01:22 PM

i wont take the med till tomorrow i want to see if there supps keep me under 140/90

**NMacFar** · 04-14-2010, 07:27 AM

No shit?!?! Looks like i'm going to have to make a supp run this afternoon!

I hope this helps keep your bp down throughout the day! Best of luck and please keep me posted!

**matt77** · 04-14-2010, 08:40 AM

Celery seed extract will lower your BP just like a med. It works upon consumption and doesn't have to be taken for days to see effects like hawthorn. NOW nutrition has this pretty cheap on most sites. Eating celery will help some too but the seed extract is where its at.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no...culationf.html

**tronics** · 04-14-2010, 09:00 AM

im at 121/71 now! and ive been steady under 129/80 wow....

bp supp list:

fish oils
hawthorn berry
CoQ10
baby asprin
garlic supp
lycopene supp
ginko bilbo

im seriously amazed...

**ultra2207** · 04-14-2010, 11:12 AM

I'm in week 3 of my test/masteron /proviron cycle and am on the following supps for blood pressure/heart health - fish oil, hawthorn berry, garlic, magnesium, potassium, baby aspirin, CoQ10. My question is what do you guys normally run for dosages on this stuff? Just follow the label? I've been just following the label dosages. It seems like now that my test is starting to kick in my heart has been pounding/racing for a few days now. Also feeling a little clumsy and very lethargic. I need to get my BP checked but haven't yet. I've done plenty of cycles in the past.

**ultra2207** · 04-14-2010, 11:28 AM

Also, how important/effective is the lycopene and ginko biloba? Those are two supps I don't have. Thanks!

**tronics** · 04-14-2010, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by ultra2207

Also, how important/effective is the lycopene and ginko biloba? Those are two supps I don't have. Thanks!

doses im using:

fish oils 7.5g(pack w/ 3/6/9's) 2xday
hawthorn berry 565mg 2xday
CoQ10 100mg 1xday
baby asprin 81mg 1xday
garlic supp 1000mg 2xday
lycopene supp 300mg 2xday
ginko bilbo 120mg 1xday

lycopene and ginko bilbo and both known to lower blood pressure in some studies i was reading plus it was recommended and i think they helped alot my blood pressure is still around 120/70...

**zaneisgreat** · 04-14-2010, 04:59 PM

Dang. Sounds like you have everything in check to me bro.

**zaneisgreat** · 04-14-2010, 05:07 PM

Are you feeling any special symptoms or just the standard (vague) high BP stuff?

Through cycling, I found out that I am polycythemic(huge red blood cell count) and get highBP when it is not in check. Some compounds (EQ, Tren at a certain dose) trigger insane-high erythropoiesis in my body.

I get high BP, extreme fatigue and it makes me break out in huge itchy rashes. An infrequent Phlebotomy/blood letting/blood donation makes me feel much better and keeps my BP at bay.

Just something i wanted to share with people.... just in case it is happening to anyone else. I've seen a rare post here or there on other forums with bro's having similar issues with high RBC count and tricky circulatory system afflictions.

**tronics** · 04-14-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by zaneisgreat

Are you feeling any special symptoms or just the standard (vague) high BP stuff?
.

i just felt stressed and felt some anxiety, but basically just very high blood pressure...

my bp always goes up on cycle, eq is throwing it a little higher this time around..

its amazing how the supps just brought it down and its staying down, im constantly checking it too...hopefully it keeps up through out cycle.

**ultra2207** · 04-14-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by tronics

doses im using:

fish oils 7.5g(pack w/ 3/6/9's) 2xday
hawthorn berry 565mg 2xday
CoQ10 100mg 1xday
baby asprin 81mg 1xday
garlic supp 1000mg 2xday
lycopene supp 300mg 2xday
ginko bilbo 120mg 1xday

lycopene and ginko bilbo and both known to lower blood pressure in some studies i was reading plus it was recommended and i think they helped alot my blood pressure is still around 120/70...

Thanks a lot man. I'm going to up my dosages to your levels.

**tronics** · 04-14-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by ultra2207

Thanks a lot man. I'm going to up my dosages to your levels.

no problem....you should hit up a cvs and get a digital blood measure machine they only cost like 50 dollars and id say it should be something to have for while on cycle

**ultra2207** · 04-14-2010, 10:40 PM

Good idea, will do.

**Oriental Pharma** · 04-14-2010, 10:48 PM

Gingko Biloba usually helps on the High Blood Pressure due to it's ability to allow normal blood circluation, but in some recent studies released 3-4 years ago, the extract of Moringa oleifera Lam. proves to be a much more useful for lower Blood Pressure.

Even if you heads to a doctor, on most case they'll just give you a Hydrochlorothiazide + Amiloride as a mild cure. Regardless, if your Blood Pressure remains the same, it's best to have a check up if you can.

**NMacFar** · 04-15-2010, 07:56 AM

This was good team work here!

**tronics** · 04-15-2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Oriental Pharma

Gingko Biloba usually helps on the High Blood Pressure due to it's ability to allow normal blood circluation.

thats what i was reading...i honestly feel my mood change when in take it almost more relaxed, i think it had alot to do with the drop..

3 days later im still good 123/71

**ultra2207** · 04-15-2010, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by tronics

3 days later im still good 123/71

Thats freaking awesome man.

**ultra2207** · 04-16-2010, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by tronics

im at 121/71 now! and ive been steady under 129/80 wow....

bp supp list:

fish oils
hawthorn berry
CoQ10
baby asprin
garlic supp
lycopene supp
ginko bilbo

im seriously amazed...

Last questions...
Where did you find your lycopene? The only ones I saw were 10mg. You said you take 300mg?
What fish oil are you running? I had 300mg capsules but I just went and bought 1360mg.
Also, I had hawthorn extract but I switched over to hawthorn berry just now.

**tronics** · 04-16-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by ultra2207

Last questions...
Where did you find your lycopene? The only ones I saw were 10mg. You said you take 300mg?
What fish oil are you running? I had 300mg capsules but I just went and bought 1360mg.
Also, I had hawthorn extract but I switched over to hawthorn berry just now.

i meant 30mg woops.. got the 30mg lycopene from gnc, they have them...

fish oils by far best pack...univeral animal omega its got 3,6,9's,cla,ala,ect all in one 7500mg of fish oil.. i take it twice a day

i also forgot to mention i take a scoop of cycle support a day also, wich is for blood pressure, liver support, and cholesterol, ect

the ingredients in it below:

Red Yeast Rice 1200mg
Silymarin (milk thistle) 1000mg
NAC 1200mg
Hawthron Bery 1000mg
Saw Palmetto 300mg
Policosonol 20mg
Celery Seed Extract 150mg
Nettle Root 250mg
Idebenone 100mg

my bp is 117/73 right now has been around there ever since the supps... i started at 160/104

**Focusmen** · 04-16-2010, 11:46 PM

wow !!! great thread. as i have 135/70 when im not on and 160/80 on. im gonna give your exact protocal a go and see if it can work as well for me as it did u.

thanks for all the info brotha!

**tronics** · 04-17-2010, 11:05 AM

no prob bro....my bp is always high on too, i literally was about to go on meds....im gonna keep watching it and if it stays as stable as it has been then ill write out a thread so people can get this info

**rice_crispies** · 04-18-2010, 10:13 PM

my way to reducing bp is original oat meal, grapes, and whole grain cereal and its worked. i wouldnt do cardio during a cycle bro bad juju

**beachbum11** · 04-19-2010, 12:21 AM

Hawthorn Berry should drop you 10-20 alone. I've been into herbs for many years and that is my choice over anything. Also, if you're measuring right after eating it'll be higher as well, or if you smoke/dip whatever, it'll be higher. Excessive water can raise it to so check that

**Focusmen** · 04-26-2010, 10:07 PM

1st day taking the "tronics protocal".lol i only took one dose in the morning. tomorrow ill take two. and the next day ill throw in the cycle support.

starting average. 155/75

todays average: 145/75

down ten already!

**laduem88** · 04-26-2010, 10:18 PM

i take 400mg of coq10 twice a day...works like a charm but expensive

also garlic extract pills are cheap so i take those as well....never have had any bp issues

**tronics** · 04-26-2010, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Focusmen

1st day taking the "tronics protocal".lol i only took one dose in the morning. tomorrow ill take two. and the next day ill throw in the cycle support.

starting average. 155/75

todays average: 145/75

down ten already!

lol...i havent got higher then 124/80 since all the supps kicked in.. keep us updated!

im wondering if i should i write out a post on this, but i wanna wait till later in my cycle to make sure these supps together will hold strong throughout and so far ive had the best blood pressure reading of the last 8 years!