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04-21-2010, 08:58 AM #1
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first cycle help PLEASE
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7ft
280lbs
never run anything before, beside clen
i have tryed a few times to get help but no luck really
just want to know if this looks ok. is there any thing i need to change / modify
Am going to start my first cycle soon looking at the 10 /17 of may
my cycle looks like this
TEST E 12 weeks 400 mgs
DECA (oral ) not sure of the dose yet run first 4 weeks
pct Nolvadex and well any ideas on what else i should take please, also would like to run some thing to stop hair loss, is nolvadex ok for stopping gyno
i think i am just starting to panic as i have never run any thing before
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04-21-2010, 09:25 AM #2
Just run a test only cycle 400mg a week for 10-12 weeks and then run a nolva and clomid pct for 4 weeks.
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04-21-2010, 10:00 AM #3
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7ft? wow. You really are big, Dean.
Do you know your body fat%?
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04-21-2010, 01:30 PM #5
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yeah im 7ft,
why not the deca ???
well i was 310 lbs at the end of feb and about 24% bf so i must be below 20 now but dont know for sure
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04-21-2010, 02:09 PM #6
Question: You say Oral Deca ? I've never heard of such a thing. I think either you mean Dbol or you are talking about swallowing the injectable stuff. Option two wont work. You'd have to drink heaps of the stuff every day to get it past your liver and you'd shit yourself from that much oil.
In the case that you mean Dbol you can run that first time at 30mg ED.
In the case that you actually are talking about Deca (Nandralone Deconate) Deca is an intermediate drug so you should lay off that for your first cycle. Its got big sides if you arent carefull (two big ones being it'll kill your sex drive and if you don't do the correct PTC you'll loose your gains and might not recover for months).
Now Lets do some math here. If you were 24% body fat at 310lbs then that means your lean body mass weighed 236lbs. If you are 280 now and assuming you haven't done anything really dumb like starve yourself to lose those 30lbs then your LBM should be about the same minus maybe a couple lbs, then 280-236=44 44/280=15.7% BF
Ive found that my body puts on mass best when I am between 10% and 17%. I know you arent me but if it were me and since its almost summer, I would go for a cutting diet if I were you. Drop 8% more body fat, get ripped and rake in some ladies. If you're determined to bulk tho (and you are talking about Dbol and not Deca) then your cycle seems fine for a beginner. Wouldnt worry too much about hairloss with how little test you are on. (If you were on a high dose of 19nor derivative like Deca or Tren then I'd say grab some Letrozol). You're such a big guy already that I'm guessing 400mgs of test a week is not going to cause an issue at all. Nolva should be enough but remember that some estrogen is good for building muscle (not only in the muscle synthesis but it causes you to retain water which some people argue is helpful with the joints under heavy weights, thats debatable IMHO) so you dont want to just get rid of it out of hand. Unless you start to feel your nipples getting extra tender, save the Nolva for your PCT. If they do get tender, just 20mgs of Nolva a day till they stop should be fine.
Good luck.Last edited by Neevor; 04-23-2010 at 10:49 PM. Reason: Fixed to 19nor
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04-22-2010, 02:30 AM #7
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thank you for you reply, was very helpfull,
so i should just run test e and bump it up to about 500mg /week
i dont want to drag this out but i did want to do a bulking cycle but now you have put the thought of a cutting cycle in my head
would that look like
test p
anavar
thanks for all the help
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04-22-2010, 12:29 PM #8
First cycle should always be a bulking cycle IMHO. Put on some mass and then see if you can keep it. A cutting cycle requires more discipline so bulking is a good start.
A beginner cutter would be 10 to 12 weeks of test prop 150 EOD. You could throw on 50mg a day of oral winny for the first 4 to 6 weeks or 50mg ED of Anavar for the whole thing since its less liver toxic.
Seriously though, go big first time.
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04-22-2010, 12:55 PM #9
Troll... in one post he was 6' 10'' 400+ lbs this guy is full of sh1t
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04-22-2010, 01:00 PM #10
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04-22-2010, 01:02 PM #11
To The OP
just do a BULKING CYCLE
just straight test. Leave everything else alone for now. I know its hard, believe me I have been wanted to add so many compounds on my now early cycles.
Just get a good diet down and do a clean bulk instead of a dirty bulk. You will be very pleased with the results.
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04-22-2010, 01:02 PM #12
Uhh, I am an ass and I stand corrected my apologizes to the OP
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04-22-2010, 04:54 PM #13
trolls usually are asking stupid things, and telling veryone they are wrong
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04-23-2010, 03:32 AM #14
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thanks for the advise i will just use test E and 500 mg a week
and i never said i was 6ft 10 that was some other guy i comment on his post if you have a look, fool
but thanks to every one else
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04-23-2010, 01:19 PM #15
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