Will I keep gaining weight?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

This is my second cycle and I am doing the following

dbol 40mg 1-4
test-e 625mg 1-14
deca 400mg 1-12

I started cycle at 5'9 182lbs and I am now 196lbs (first thing in the morning). I am 4 1/2 weeks in and just dropped the dbol three days ago. I love my size and strength gains I have made. So far I have lost no weight after coming off dbol. However, now that I am off dbol, will I continue to gain? I didnt really gain much over the past week and a half. Could I even lose a bit since I could possibly lose weight from stopping dbol?

[grapejuice11]

ive never have taken a oral before but I would imagine the test and deca should be just about fully kicked in so i dont you will loose a whole lot let alone any. But i have been told that you dont keep much dbol gains.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

but I am asking whether I will make even further progress throughout the remainder of the cycle despite dropping the dbol

[tronics]

but I am asking whether I will make even further progress throughout the remainder of the cycle despite dropping the dbol

yes you should as long as diet is good...

enjoy the rest of your cycle.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

^thanks

anyone else concur?

[stevey_6t9]

ofcourse you will continue to gain,

maybe not as fast though since you dropped the dbol .

[Spartan ^]

ofcourse you will continue to gain,

maybe not as fast though since you dropped the dbol.

I disagree (to an extent). The oral is a kick start until the other compunds kick in somewhere around four to five weeks. My experience is that I gain a good deal when the injectables kick in, even after dropping the oral. Just my personal experience and Im sure some guys have slowed after orals. Good luck bro. Best advice I can give is to maintain your diet, get good rest, and do a proper PCT. That way if you gain 5 or 15 lbs, you'll keep most of it. Also look at it like this, no matter what you gain......it is more than you had!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I disagree (to an extent). The oral is a kick start until the other compunds kick in somewhere around four to five weeks. My experience is that I gain a good deal when the injectables kick in, even after dropping the oral. Just my personal experience and Im sure some guys have slowed after orals. Good luck bro. Best advice I can give is to maintain your diet, get good rest, and do a proper PCT. That way if you gain 5 or 15 lbs, you'll keep most of it. Also look at it like this, no matter what you gain......it is more than you had!

in my first cycle (test-e 500mg 12 wks), I kept mostly all my gains which was great (continued to eat the same amount off cycle). So far I have been off dbol for 3 full days now and I weigh the same (197lbs 5'9). Hopefully I can get to maybe 205 by the end?

[tronics]

give it another week the test deca will really start working for ya...

[gymnerd]

You should keep gaining if you keep eating just wont pop out at you like the gains from dbol cause they hit you soo fast.

[6ft5]

I think you could gain up to 30lb if diet is in check. If it real clean water should stay on the low side. Post dbol u will loose a little water. After cycle you will loose water off the deca . You are runnin a pretty nice dose of test you will feel like the man. And deca will make your body feel great! U mite wanna start some vit E lotion w coco butter so you can keep stretch marks down, if your prone. I have a feeling that you will love the muscle building power of your cycle. Best luck Dawg.

[Spartans09]

You should gain plenty if you eat sleep and train properly. This is your first run with deca and should pack some size on. Are you running hcg ? Anything on hand for progesterone sides? Are you running anything for estrogen sides?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I think you could gain up to 30lb if diet is in check. If it real clean water should stay on the low side. Post dbol u will loose a little water. After cycle you will loose water off the deca. You are runnin a pretty nice dose of test you will feel like the man. And deca will make your body feel great! U mite wanna start some vit E lotion w coco butter so you can keep stretch marks down, if your prone. I have a feeling that you will love the muscle building power of your cycle. Best luck Dawg.

so far I havent lost any water from the dbol I dont think. Well my weight is the same so I guess that means I havent yet. I am excited about the other stuff you are telling me though! I am midway through week 5

You should gain plenty if you eat sleep and train properly. This is your first run with deca and should pack some size on. Are you running hcg? Anything on hand for progesterone sides? Are you running anything for estrogen sides?

no hcg . I have adex but havent used it yet. I am taking .25 caber every 3 days. pct will be nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50

[Spartans09]

Deca will b hard to recover from. Hcg would not be a bad idea to look into. Im 39 and have had a fairly hard time recovering when I don't use it. I have not done anything as suppressive as deca. Currently running cyp, prop, tbol, proviron and just started hcg week 3 250iu 2x week.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Deca will b hard to recover from. Hcg would not be a bad idea to look into. Im 39 and have had a fairly hard time recovering when I don't use it. I have not done anything as suppressive as deca. Currently running cyp, prop, tbol, proviron and just started hcg week 3 250iu 2x week.

yea I don't know I hear mixed things. Ball shrinkage isn't something I am really getting. If I had it, I would use it but I am not really rushing out the door to get it. Should I start arimidex at .25 eod?

[Spartans09]

It wouldn't hurt. Estrogen is going to start piling up. I am. Currently doing .125ED.

[6ft5]

Well I did deca 400wk 10wk, test e 500wk 12wk, no dbol kick start. Gained a good 20+lbs, without watchen my macros so much. You know shakes n sht between meals. I am a lot smarter now.. Iv also been a big 278 before so it coulda been a bit of muscle memory stuff. You have all the knowledge a advice you need to get the most outa your cycle. That's why I say up to 30lbs. I'd do anuther deca test cycle but I don't wanna get to much bigger. And I don't always have a gym around to lift like I should on that kind of cycle.... Oh and be carefull you will get really strong pretty fast. So don't do anything that will injure your joints and tendons. You prob won't feel to much, due to deca, and it will screw your cycle up.

[awesome1]

It wouldn't hurt. Estrogen is going to start piling up. I am. Currently doing .125ED.

how in the world do you cut those tiny pills into .125mg? lol I have a hard enough time cutting them up into quarters.

[Spartans09]

Liquid.

[awesome1]

oh duhhh

[Spartan ^]

no hcg . I have adex but havent used it yet. I am taking .25 caber every 3 days. pct will be nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50

Smart man! Last cycle I used Deca in (without Caber)was great on the gains but hell on Mr. No Shoulders! I dont blame the Deca. It did its job...I just didnt do mine! Good luck on the gains bro!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

It wouldn't hurt. Estrogen is going to start piling up. I am. Currently doing .125ED.

Maybe I will copy you and start that dose instead. I also have the liquid version (from A/R). Any benefit to splitting half of .25mg every day instead of eod?

Well I did deca 400wk 10wk, test e 500wk 12wk, no dbol kick start. Gained a good 20+lbs, without watchen my macros so much. You know shakes n sht between meals. I am a lot smarter now.. Iv also been a big 278 before so it coulda been a bit of muscle memory stuff. You have all the knowledge a advice you need to get the most outa your cycle. That's why I say up to 30lbs. I'd do anuther deca test cycle but I don't wanna get to much bigger. And I don't always have a gym around to lift like I should on that kind of cycle.... Oh and be carefull you will get really strong pretty fast. So don't do anything that will injure your joints and tendons. You prob won't feel to much, due to deca, and it will screw your cycle up.

tbh I gained a lot of strength already from the dbol . I am putting up 110lbs on the DB bench for 7-8 reps on my last set of that exercise now, which is the best ever for me. My deadlift has gone up considerably too. I am hoping it continues to increase

Smart man! Last cycle I used Deca in (without Caber)was great on the gains but hell on Mr. No Shoulders! I dont blame the Deca. It did its job...I just didnt do mine! Good luck on the gains bro!

sorry to hear about mr. no shoulders man! deca dick nearly scared me into not doing deca at all but I figured with caber and a higher dose of test, it was worth the risk. So far so good. I can always take cialis if I am worried and about to have sex with a chick

[Spartan ^]

I have no trouble when I use the Caber with a Deca cycle. I did almost end my love affair with it for that reason though! And cialis does work even if you have Deca dick....

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I have no trouble when I use the Caber with a Deca cycle. I did almost end my love affair with it for that reason though! And cialis does work even if you have Deca dick....

does or does not? Just want to make sure that wasn't a typo

btw we have a lot of spartans in this thread!

[Spartan ^]

DOES work. It'll be so hard a cat couldn't scratch it! You cant turn the skin with a pipewrench~!

I noticed. I was here first though! I have just been MIA for a while.....I think the other one must be cheering on a team or something. <Just kidding bro!>

[smiler]

if you lose weight its prolly water... no worries bro

[AlphaMaleDawg]

DOES work. It'll be so hard a cat couldn't scratch it! You cant turn the skin with a pipewrench~!

I noticed. I was here first though! I have just been MIA for a while.....I think the other one must be cheering on a team or something. <Just kidding bro!>

nice yea I have used cialis before. I have taken 1/4 of a 20mg tab on a few occasions and the raging boner was awesome. Lasted until late the next day too

[Neevor]

Wow, this is a good thread.

Alpha, I've run almost this exact same cycle (little less test and ran the dbol for 6 weeks) and I put on 20lbs (kept about 75% over the next 6 months). Deca is a bitch to come off of. Takes forever. The way I like to do it is I run the test for 2 more weeks than the Deca just because it talkes so long to break down. Then I wait 2 weeks and then start a 4 week PCT with Nolvadex and HCG (this one is pretty important with deca, I didn't use it the first time I ran deca and my PCT didnt completely recover me so I was not myself for a couple months). I've also found taking tribulus in my PCT to be helpfull for me but thats just my own experimentation and I've never read anything for or against it.

I don't recall not making gains after stopping the dbol. But if it was your 4th week you might consider that your body gets tired of training straight after about the 4th or 5th week. Theres a really good thread on this phenomenon here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145655

so it might be that your body is a little tired. It could also be that your water retention dropped slightly while you made gains so it looked like you stayed even.

In any case, this cycle is the bread and butter and I effin love it. I'll run it again next winter with some Abombs. Good luck and post some before and after pics when you finish!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Wow, this is a good thread.

Alpha, I've run almost this exact same cycle (little less test and ran the dbol for 6 weeks) and I put on 20lbs (kept about 75% over the next 6 months). Deca is a bitch to come off of. Takes forever. The way I like to do it is I run the test for 2 more weeks than the Deca just because it talkes so long to break down. Then I wait 2 weeks and then start a 4 week PCT with Nolvadex and HCG (this one is pretty important with deca, I didn't use it the first time I ran deca and my PCT didnt completely recover me so I was not myself for a couple months). I've also found taking tribulus in my PCT to be helpfull for me but thats just my own experimentation and I've never read anything for or against it.

I don't recall not making gains after stopping the dbol. But if it was your 4th week you might consider that your body gets tired of training straight after about the 4th or 5th week. Theres a really good thread on this phenomenon here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145655

so it might be that your body is a little tired. It could also be that your water retention dropped slightly while you made gains so it looked like you stayed even.

In any case, this cycle is the bread and butter and I effin love it. I'll run it again next winter with some Abombs. Good luck and post some before and after pics when you finish!

thanks for sharing that man. I will try to post before/after pics when I am done since you requested it. I hope what you say is right about staying even bc i am gaining and dropping water at the same time. Remember though this is my 4th day off the dbol so who knows what will happen at this point. I could still lose a bit from coming off dbol or i can continue gaining from the test and deca.

I actually just ordered tribulus the other day from bb.com (along w/ whey, perfect carb, and more creatine) and might use it if I feel I need to during pct or after.

I will check out that link in a bit (going to the gym now) because it looks very informative.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

here is a current pic of me. Hope to lose more water around my mid section. Also it is late at night now so I am full and weighing 201. I am probably going to extend the cycle from 14 weeks to 20 weeks and use 250mg of test the last 6 weeks and go on a cutting diet with that, so I dont lose muscle and can be ripped for the summer. I will start the cut as soon as I quit deca week 12. And sorry about the toothpaste

[Neevor]

A 20 week cycle? Wow, I'd post a thread for the vets asking about that. That's a good one. Definitely over my experience level but personally the idea is a little frightening. I've never talked to anyone who ran gear for more than 16 weeks and his PCT was hard core.

Have you talked to anybody whos done that?

The little bit of info I do have on bulking and then switching to dieting is that your body needs time in between to make the transition. Like if I diet and then immediately go to a bulking diet then my body adds back a lot of the fat I just worked to get off so I try to level out slowly over a few weeks. But I have no idea what the ramifications are when you do that on roids. Very interested to know tho. I hope you post a thread on it. Make sure you tell the newbs to **** off too. Theres a couple on here this week who keep posting where they dont know anything about the topic. So annoying

[Neevor]

Oh yeah, nice to see you're maintaining proper dental hygiene lol

[AlphaMaleDawg]

A 20 week cycle? Wow, I'd post a thread for the vets asking about that. That's a good one. Definitely over my experience level but personally the idea is a little frightening. I've never talked to anyone who ran gear for more than 16 weeks and his PCT was hard core.

Have you talked to anybody whos done that?

The little bit of info I do have on bulking and then switching to dieting is that your body needs time in between to make the transition. Like if I diet and then immediately go to a bulking diet then my body adds back a lot of the fat I just worked to get off so I try to level out slowly over a few weeks. But I have no idea what the ramifications are when you do that on roids. Very interested to know tho. I hope you post a thread on it. Make sure you tell the newbs to **** off too. Theres a couple on here this week who keep posting where they dont know anything about the topic. So annoying

I will post a thread about it actually. Maybe tomorrow. I am sure most people will try to advise me not to but if I can recover and do an aggressive pct, I feel like I can pull it off. I know it's dangerous but I don't think it's dangerous enough to the point where I shouldn't not look good for the summer. I gotta keep it lean and sexy for the ladies in the hot months. I still might not do it, I plan on making an executive decision as soon as I am done with my originally scheduled cycle of stopping deca at 12 weeks and test at 14 weeks. The problem is I cant start cutting off cycle because I will lose my gains

btw what do u think my bf% is from that pic? remember it is not a first thing in the AM pic

[plugthug]

Bro' i got off a similar cycle 5 months ago. Same compounds nearly same dose, except i kick started with 7 wks A50. My avatar reflects my size at the peak of my cycle. I gained 22 lbs. during and have maintained 7 so far. I was taking in a lot more calories than my body was used to and eased off after my pct cause I started getting fat. Pour on the calories and the plates and the intensity. I believe you have more growth left in this cycle. I have done dbol before, good kick start, not much retention.

[taiboxa]

if your diet is tuned for gaining weight, you will gain weight.

[plugthug]

BTW, just read your last post re: 20wk cycle. My buddies that cycled same compounds as me were all exp. BB and ran their cycles 16 wks. and are now on TRT with their docs due to low test from their labs 2 months post-pct, (real low) 30- 100. i don't know if their age (35-40) and natty test prod. had anything to do with it.

[taiboxa]

BTW, just read your last post re: 20wk cycle. My buddies that cycled same compounds as me were all exp. BB and ran their cycles 16 wks. and are now on TRT with their docs due to low test from their labs 2 months post-pct, (real low) 30- 100. i don't know if their age (35-40) and natty test prod. had anything to do with it.

i was on for almost 2 years straight and recovered just fine and i didnt even run an extensive PCT.. so i dont really know what to say other than age may be the primary factor rather than cycle duration

[sixxer]

Alpha, I've just completed week 12 of the same cycle, well minus the dbol kick start.

I'm running Test C at 800mg/week (originally 500mg) and Deca at 400mg/week (originally 300mg). So far I've gained 13kg (~30lbs) and gained a couple points of bf.

I plan on ceasing Deca at week 14 and running Test till week 16.

So far no sides and I've not ran any caber or AI.

Plan on running Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20/20 and Clomid at 100/50/50/50.

I love the cycle, only thing I would've done different is kick start with dbols as you did, or at least Test Prop for the first 4 weeks with the Test C.

[taiboxa]

Alpha, I've just completed week 12 of the same cycle, well minus the dbol kick start.

I'm running Test C at 800mg/week (originally 500mg) and Deca at 400mg/week (originally 300mg). So far I've gained 13kg (~30lbs) and gained a couple points of bf.

I plan on ceasing Deca at week 14 and running Test till week 16.

So far no sides and I've not ran any caber or AI.

Plan on running Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20/20 and Clomid at 100/50/50/50.

I love the cycle, only thing I would've done different is kick start with dbols as you did, or at least Test Prop for the first 4 weeks with the Test C.

i wouldnt waste time w/ prop in the begining.. if your going to do that, you could just frontload and get the same plasma levels right off the bat..

[sixxer]

i wouldnt waste time w/ prop in the begining.. if your going to do that, you could just frontload and get the same plasma levels right off the bat..

Tai, what do you mean?

Just run Prop right through, forget the Cyp, and frontload with say 1g/week for the first couple?