Starting 1st Cycle in a week - needs tweaking

[gbrice75]

Hi all, i'll be starting my first cycle next Monday and want to share my plan here. If anything jumps out at you that seems odd, please let me know. Thanks!

Cycle - Liquid Dbol, Test Enanthate

Weeks 1 through 4
30mg dbol/day - taken in 10mg doses in the morning, afternoon, and evening
500mg test e/week - 250mg Monday morning, 250mg Thursday evening
.5mg Liquidex EOD

Alot of people have suggested only using the Liquidex if gyno symptoms occur; however, I am thinking of taking it EOD as precautionary. If symptoms occur I can up the dosage or switch to ED. My logic is that it can't hurt to be proactive - but is my logic flawed? Need your opinions on this please!

Weeks 5-12
500mg test e/week - 250mg Monday morning, 250mg Thursday evening
.25mg Liquidex EOD (same question as with weeks 1-4 on this)

Week 13 - OFF

Weeks 14-18- PCT

Clomid - 200/100/50/25/25
Nolva - 20/20/20/20/20???? Need help with this, I know it's not right

I look forward to your feedback, thanks!

[ferocious bubble]

Everything looks ok to me besides your pct.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Theres no way you'll need 200mgs of clomid.

[gbrice75]

Everything looks ok to me besides your pct.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Theres no way you'll need 200mgs of clomid.

Thanks, and gotcha. Note my PCT was 5 weeks; I guess 4 is pretty standard/enough?

[ferocious bubble]

Yeah 4 weeks is pretty standard. You could add a 5th one if you really want to.

On another note I don't think it will hurt to be proactive with the Liquidex.

[Hard.On]

Ferocious Bubble
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To the OP
Run Dbol for 4 weeks/ I personally would run 40 mg a day

Dont run the liquidex unless you are prone to gyno. It is your first cycle so you probly dont know. If you feel you are getting gyno refer to this thread
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=428048

PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

[terraj]

Not using that Test you posted the other day right?

[breakbones]

First cycleres should really only be using Test by it's self.
Read up more

[gbrice75]

I'm too moronic to quote multiple replies, so i'll address all here:

Ferocious - Thanks - i'll probably do the 4 weeks and play the 5th week by ear.

twotimer - would there be any harm in running the L-dex as a precautionary measure? True that I don't know whether or not i'm prone to gyno as this is my first cycle, but wouldn't the L-dex also help with some of the bloat/water retention resulting from the dbol? I was under the impression that was one of the symptoms of the higher estrogen levels. I don't really want to look all puffy and bloated. Either way - if there is a health risk involved, i'll drop it from the cycle.

Terraj - yea, it is. I know, I know - a few people suggested I don't use it. I have been talking with some other members, and my biggest concern is if the stuff is dirty/harmful - which people seem to think wouldn't be the case. If anything, it just wouldn't contain what it's supposed to (the test e). At the end of the day, you never know what you're really getting from an UGL anyway. I was planning on running it for a few weeks, and if NOTHING happens i'll probably discontinue; if something bad happens (infection, not feeling right, etc) then i'll definitely discontinue usage.

breakbones - you're not the first to mention this to me, but at the same time I researched a bunch of beginner cycles and most came up with the test e/dbol stack. However, i'm interested to hear why a first timer should only do the test e alone - can you shed some light?

[Hard.On]

Reply,
Yes it would help with all of that,
and your better off taking adex then ldex.

I would try a low sodium diet first. O would not take adex from the get go. Play it by ear, if you feel the symtoms that you dont want to, then add it in.

[ferocious bubble]

I would keep the dbol in, its optional however. Just my opinion.

[gbrice75]

Reply,
Yes it would help with all of that,
and your better off taking adex then ldex.

I would try a low sodium diet first. O would not take adex from the get go. Play it by ear, if you feel the symtoms that you dont want to, then add it in.

Can't get my hands on adex, already have ldex. Isn't ldex basically just adex in liquid form anyway? I got it from the site sponsor.

Yea, low sodium is something i'm already trying to incorporate to help with bloating. I will definitely continue along that path with this cycle and increased calorie diet i'm running along with it.

[Bertuzzi]

Ferocious Bubble
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FVCKIN PRICELESS!!!

[Hard.On]

Can't get my hands on adex, already have ldex. Isn't ldex basically just adex in liquid form anyway? I got it from the site sponsor.

Yea, low sodium is something i'm already trying to incorporate to help with bloating. I will definitely continue along that path with this cycle and increased calorie diet i'm running along with it.

I was mixing up letro and ldex/
Im not sure if that one is the same

[D_iamond]

he has the liquid arimidex i think from the sponsers they call it liquidex lol anoying they are close like that ps it is f'ING hilarious you are chaseing downsyndrom bubble boy around all the threads haahaha

and ferocious why do you suggest keeping the dbol in? is it what gave you those incredible abs?

[gbrice75]

Yes, liquidex is a liquid version of arimidex. AR-R has it readily available, hopefully it's effective.

Letro and Arimidex are definitely not the same (although both AI's) - Letro would be a last ditch effort if the Ldex and/or Nolva aren't effective.