First cycle disappointment

[oldgrappler]

I'm in week 11 of a 12 week test e 500mg per and my results are,for lack of a better description, pathetic. My test is B***** pharmaceuticals from a******p. I had virtually no change in libido, no sides at all, no atrophy, minimal strength gains. I did gain a few pounds of good muscle weight, so maybe it's just severely under dosed, but I also upped my calories during and worked really hard, so it could be attributed to that. I feel like I've been shooting safflower oil mixed with a little androgel and battery acid. I'm really bummed. My clomid and nolva are from the same source, so who knows if that's any good either. I think I'm going to go get a blood test to see where my levels are. Since the test was bunk or under dosed, should I still do the PCT?

[gbrice75]

I'm in week 11 of a 12 week test e 500mg per and my results are,for lack of a better description, pathetic. My test is B***** pharmaceuticals from a******p. I had virtually no change in libido, no sides at all, no atrophy, minimal strength gains. I did gain a few pounds of good muscle weight, so maybe it's just severely under dosed, but I also upped my calories during and worked really hard, so it could be attributed to that. I feel like I've been shooting safflower oil mixed with a little androgel and battery acid. I'm really bummed. My clomid and nolva are from the same source, so who knows if that's any good either. I think I'm going to go get a blood test to see where my levels are. Since the test was bunk or under dosed, should I still do the PCT?

I feel your pain bro, I'm about to start a cycle and i'm going in already thinking my gear is bunk. I'm pretty sure I know the name of the pharmacy you're taking about - can't figure out the a******p part, but that pharmacy (if it's who I think it is) is supposed to be g2g, so i'm surprised to hear this.

That said, I think you should still do PCT - you don't know for sure if the stuff was bunk, better to be safe than sorry. OR if you can get bloodwork done and the results back quickly, you'll know for sure - if levels are low or normal, you probably don't need PCT.

[gbrice75]

I just figured out the source - I know people who have used them and they're supposed to be g2g. This is sucky news for me, because if my current gear does turn out to be bunk, I was going to these guys next!

[jg2]

I'm in week 11 of a 12 week test e 500mg per and my results are,for lack of a better description, pathetic. My test is B***** pharmaceuticals from a******p. I had virtually no change in libido, no sides at all, no atrophy, minimal strength gains. I did gain a few pounds of good muscle weight, so maybe it's just severely under dosed, but I also upped my calories during and worked really hard, so it could be attributed to that. I feel like I've been shooting safflower oil mixed with a little androgel and battery acid. I'm really bummed. My clomid and nolva are from the same source, so who knows if that's any good either. I think I'm going to go get a blood test to see where my levels are. Since the test was bunk or under dosed, should I still do the PCT?

i would get blood work 1st.... thats is if you have BW to go from before the cycle... you might have been low in test and it put you at a normal level... hard to say if you dont know were you started... thats just my opinion... either way i would get blood work... a new source and depending on the BW results a new cycle... that starts the day you get your results.... im thinking you had bunk gear... the BW will show that oneway or the other... then when you get your low test level results(for being on or just off) you will know for sure and start your new cycle with your new info..... thats just what i think and would do.... then again 500mgs isnt alot... but BW will confirm everything you want to know

[oldgrappler]

I had B/W done about 5 months before cycle and the doc said my levels were good for my age, whatever that means. I talked to a guy who comes and rolls with us once in a while (submission grappling). He seemed really knowledgeable on AAS and definitely looked the part, I broke down and told him my sob story and he said that suppliers injectables are notoriously under dosed and have a high BA content.

[oldgrappler]

jg, you say 500 isn't a lot. Isn't that the protocol for a first cycle?

[Bossman]

jg, you say 500 isn't a lot. Isn't that the protocol for a first cycle?

I was tested while into my first cycle of 500mg EW and my test was 5000. 500mg EW is plenty, even if you had low test.

A blood test would be good if you think the gear was bunk. I had a gym buddy tell me he knew his test was good because his BW came back and his test level was 800. He was disappointed when I told him that was in normal range.

How old are you oldgrappler. It does get harder as we age(47 here). Can you list your stats and diet?

[jg2]

jg, you say 500 isn't a lot. Isn't that the protocol for a first cycle?

its the low end of it in my eyes... i had help and ran a 2 compound cycle with 750 mgs a week... its amazing what the diff is when you bump that little..

last cycle before this one i jumped from 2 amps to 3 amps a week and it was night and day..

hope it was bunk gear cause you should get more with that length of a cycle.. and if you worked as hard as you say you did... which i dont doubt.. being a grappler... i used to roll 4 times a week my self with a few officers and it takes good work ethic to even be semi serious about it.. or you will get hurt..

so with the work you put in and the length... you should have had niticable sides and results... IMO

[breakbones]

I had B/W done about 5 months before cycle and the doc said my levels were good for my age, whatever that means. I talked to a guy who comes and rolls with us once in a while (submission grappling). He seemed really knowledgeable on AAS and definitely looked the part, I broke down and told him my sob story and he said that suppliers injectables are notoriously under dosed and have a high BA content.

If he said your levels were good, then that's not good on your part.

I'll be in my 2nd week and go for BW; miy doc say's to me. YOur on a cycle arent you?

My Test leves shoot up fast.

[the big 1]

I'm in week 11 of a 12 week test e 500mg per and my results are,for lack of a better description, pathetic. My test is B***** pharmaceuticals from a******p. I had virtually no change in libido, no sides at all, no atrophy, minimal strength gains. I did gain a few pounds of good muscle weight, so maybe it's just severely under dosed, but I also upped my calories during and worked really hard, so it could be attributed to that. I feel like I've been shooting safflower oil mixed with a little androgel and battery acid. I'm really bummed. My clomid and nolva are from the same source, so who knows if that's any good either. I think I'm going to go get a blood test to see where my levels are. Since the test was bunk or under dosed, should I still do the PCT?

one of my good friends sold me bunk paki sus 250, i was shooting 750mg a week and i didnt even feel a thing, i know how you feel.

whats worse, it makes you think your unreactive to gear, and think no gear in the world will work for you. i looked at the positives of the situation however ; on cycle you go extra strict on training and diet, so when you gain mass its natural and not the gear, so you gain without juice, and realise juice aint everything.

[Hard.On]

500 is enough for a first cycle/ I dont know ur stats but you should have gained at least 15 lbs of something(water/fat/muscle) at least

[breakbones]

500 is enough for a first cycle/ I dont know ur stats but you should have gained at least 15 lbs of something(water/fat/muscle) at least

Agreed

[taiboxa]

test never did much for me.. though it does give me bullet proof boners

[jg2]

test never did much for me.. though it does give me bullet proof boners

thats exactly what i was talking about....

one of the sides that is on the up side.... cant beat it down with a stick my fiancee knows when im on without even telling her... she doesnt mind for the first 4 weeks... then she starts feeling like a cum dumpster and gets a little edgy

[breakbones]

thats exactly what i was talking about....

one of the sides that is on the up side.... cant beat it down with a stick my fiancee knows when im on without even telling her... she doesnt mind for the first 4 weeks... then she starts feeling like a cum dumpster and gets a little edgy

[oldgrappler]

Thanks for the responses, like I said I'm bummed I was really looking forward to this. I kept telling myself it's gonna kick in it's gonna kick in. My diet was very good and strict, 8 meals a day following the lean bulk laid out in the diet section. I did cheat here and there and a couple times i even had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with a large glass of milk and yes it was jif LOL. I had absolutely no gain in libido. I'm 47 so I can live with 3 times a week and that never changed. I was expecting to tap my wife at least once a day. stats 47 yo 6'1" 225 14% bf. Should I get the blood test now or wait 2 weeks?

[breakbones]

Thanks for the responses, like I said I'm bummed I was really looking forward to this. I kept telling myself it's gonna kick in it's gonna kick in. My diet was very good and strict, 8 meals a day following the lean bulk laid out in the diet section. I did cheat here and there and a couple times i even had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with a large glass of milk and yes it was jif LOL. I had absolutely no gain in libido. I'm 47 so I can live with 3 times a week and that never changed. I was expecting to tap my wife at least once a day. stats 47 yo 6'1" 225 14% bf. Should I get the blood test now or wait 2 weeks?

No labido, No gains; I would get blood work. That would tell me if my test levels are high or normal.

[jg2]

Thanks for the responses, like I said I'm bummed I was really looking forward to this. I kept telling myself it's gonna kick in it's gonna kick in. My diet was very good and strict, 8 meals a day following the lean bulk laid out in the diet section. I did cheat here and there and a couple times i even had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with a large glass of milk and yes it was jif LOL. I had absolutely no gain in libido. I'm 47 so I can live with 3 times a week and that never changed. I was expecting to tap my wife at least once a day. stats 47 yo 6'1" 225 14% bf. Should I get the blood test now or wait 2 weeks?

get it now...... if it was bunk you will know

you are already hitting it hard and diet is on point.. you have to cheat or you will go insane... once a week at least... one meal only.

if it was me... i would get BW and when it comes back with weak levels considering you just got off... then i would shop for a new source and start right back up... if you didnt get any sides like you say... good or bad sides i would say it was bunk... start shopping..

[gymfu]

you should def notice a diff in labido, mine went crazy and my first cycle was only 200mg every 3 days of test e.
500mg a week for the first is plenty!!!!!!!!!

get the blood work it will let you know for sure.

[AlphaGenetics]

You definatly got bunk gear imo. That suck.