1st cycle : dianabol + sust.

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 07:15 PM

First I'll start off with some specs:

age: 25
Height: 5'10
weight: 175
bmi: 9%
Training: 6 days/wk, 2 years.
Diet: 4000+ cals, 250+ pro

I've plateaued. I've tried changing my routine, increasing calories, etc.. I cannot seem to get over 175. I started at 130lbs 2 years ago.

I'm looking to cycle for 8 weeks dbol + sust.

Dbol would be 10mg 4x daily, sust would be 1.5ml q3.5d (every 3.5 days)

Any thoughts? Also, I don't think we can discuss prices on the forums here. But I would like to know if I'm getting ripped off (buying on tuesday) So if I can post what I'm paying on here, or someone can PM me?

**oldschoolfitness** · 04-24-2010, 07:21 PM

stats are impressive over 2 years i think this would be a good cycle others may say different. 175 and 9% you should gain a good 20-25lbs if you're not worried about a little fat. yeah i don't think you can openley discuss prices, but i'm not sure. where i live i have seen sust go from affordable to down right outragious so be careful.

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 07:31 PM

Not too worried about some fat. Summer sports will take care of that after my cycle

I would really like a few opinions on what I'd be paying though. It works out to 10/ml.

If I am not allowed to post that, I won't be offended if this post is deleted

**Tyler694** · 04-24-2010, 07:40 PM

Drop the sust! Run a single ester test!! (prop, cyp, enth..)

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 07:45 PM

Reason?

**Dr Pepper** · 04-24-2010, 07:54 PM

I'm halfway doing sust 1-12weeks and I did dbol 1-4... On week 6... Iv put on 15.5lbs so far... Good luck bro

**gym_junki** · 04-24-2010, 07:59 PM

sounds good mate. Sus and d-bol are good. I'd stretch it out to 12weeks though and how long are u running the d-BOL for?

**gym_junki** · 04-24-2010, 08:05 PM

and 3.5 is abit long for sus being 4esters and some have a short life the prop I'd go wif eod or 3rd max if u wana go the 3.5 I'd go with test e. good luck wif it keep us posted

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

I'm halfway doing sust 1-12weeks and I did dbol 1-4... On week 6... Iv put on 15.5lbs so far... Good luck bro

Did you notice any difference in your weight gain after you stopped dbol ? Or would you say it was steady all the way through?

But by this, would I be better doing sust for 12 weeks, and dbol for the first 4 weeks of that?

I'm looking for only bulk (mostly muscle if possible, but I don't mind a little fat/water)

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by gym_junki

and 3.5 is abit long for sus being 4esters and some have a short life the prop I'd go wif eod or 3rd max if u wana go the 3.5 I'd go with test e. good luck wif it keep us posted

Would you say I'd see better gains with sust eod, or test e e3d?

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 09:16 PM

Changed to:

Weeks
1-12 1.5ml q3d sust
1-4 4 tabs dbol qd

PCT
Days
1-30- .25mg arimidex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

**Dr Pepper** · 04-24-2010, 09:40 PM

Yeh I was gaining steady every week then when I stopped the dbol I didn't gain or Lose for that week, then started gaining again..., working really well for me...

**gym_junki** · 04-24-2010, 09:42 PM

that's sounds heaps better Ull get better results doing test e every 3rd day that will put u at 500mg a week. But sus every 3days is good as well its just that it has 4esters and some of them have a short life like prop. And its good that uv made it 12weeks, So 3rd sounds good. This should give u good size.

**gym_junki** · 04-24-2010, 09:45 PM

dr pepper what dose r u taking the sus at and every how many days?

**Dr Pepper** · 04-24-2010, 09:52 PM

500mg a week, 250mg every 3.5 days... 15Lbs and only halfway through, couldn't b more pleased with how it's going... Keeping in mind iv got my deit in check and train hard and heavy...

**Tyler694** · 04-24-2010, 09:57 PM

I wouldn't worry about an AI on PCT. I also wouldn't run such a high dosage of clomid for 30 days.. My general PCT is..

Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
and
Clomid @ 70/35/35/35

(I use research chems..^)

**Tyler694** · 04-24-2010, 09:57 PM

By the way, I just mentioned a single ester test because people generally experience better results. Also easier to keep blood levels stable..

**bodybreak01** · 04-24-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tyler694

I wouldn't worry about an AI on PCT. I also wouldn't run such a high dosage of clomid for 30 days.. My general PCT is..

Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
and
Clomid @ 70/35/35/35

(I use research chems..^)

I'm fairly prone to gyno, so I just wanted to make sure. I took a T booster in the past and got puffy nipples..