3rd cycle ideas...

**El Corvino** · 04-24-2010, 10:32 PM

I am looking for a 3rd cycle...

Right now I am 5'9/5'10 depending on how long I've slept (that's a gravity joke...)
220 lbs
9.7% - 10% Body fat on a 5 pt. caliper test

I am shredded everywhere except my mid section. I plan on putting in a lot of cardio to lose the belly fat area that I have been plagued with for years due to the genetics of a prison build before I begin this cycle.

First cycle was 550 mg p/week of Andropen at 12 weeks.
first 4 weeks of dbol .
PCT
*
3.5 month break
*
Second cycle was 550 mg p/week of Andropen at 12 weeks
first 4 weeks of dbol
last 5 weeks of winny (was not my thing, I was not impressed with the effects so I don't think I'll touch it again)
* Started IGF1 and Anavar while PCT.

I'm going on 4 or 5 months since that cycle and I'm looking for ideas. I am thinking of just another Dbol and test cycle since I do get great results from it and doing 3 months of Anavar as the cycle comes to a close to keep my gains up... Looking to gain lean muscle and continue to shred fat (aren't we all?) What do some of you pro's think? (please don't respond if you're 17 years old and 2 cycles deep... I don't care if you are the coolest kid in high school)

**gym_junki** · 04-25-2010, 12:29 AM

if u want lean gains and shred fat try test prop and tren a.

**Knockout_Power** · 04-25-2010, 02:31 AM

I would 2nd that thought of a prop and tren cycle if you dont mind frequent pinning. This, with the proper diet, will add some nice quality mass and shred you up for the summer without the water you may get from other test. Normally tren should be used after a little more experience, but you seem like you've shown good results and must have done things fairly well your first 2 cycles. Keep it simple, something along the lines of 500 prop/wk and 350 tren A/week (50ed)... I loved the results from a cycle like this last year and I ran even lower test (250/wk)

**Knockout_Power** · 04-25-2010, 02:32 AM

PS- nothing wrong with your proposed cycle, its worked so far, but going into summer you may want a harder drier look so axe the dbol and forget about var cause its too damn expensive

**El Corvino** · 04-25-2010, 04:33 AM

That is a possible cycle, I'll have to read up on it a little more so I can better educate myself. Thanks guys

**sixxer** · 04-25-2010, 05:36 AM

Test Prop @ 100mg/day 1-12
Tren A @ 50mg/day 1-12
Anavar @ 50mg/day 1-12

Cabergoline and Aromasin on hand

PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Vit. E 1000iu/1000iu/1000iu

**lovbyts** · 04-25-2010, 06:26 AM

I disagree, Dont jump on Tren yet. Go with Deca for a 3rd cycle. Keep tren for #5 or later.

Same as above but use Deca and less pinning is nice.

**sixxer** · 04-25-2010, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I disagree, Dont jump on Tren yet. Go with Deca for a 3rd cycle. Keep tren for #5 or later.

Same as above but use Deca and less pinning is nice.

I've achieved great LBM gains on a Test+Deca cycle. Admittedly, a couple points of BF too, but bulking was my aim. I would run the Deca at at least 300mg/week though. Have some cabergoline on hand.

Out of curiosity, considering you've suggested Deca, why the advising against Trenbolone Acetate?

Is there a minimum number of cycles one must have had to reduce the sides and enhance the gains while running Tren?

At a certain point does one become impervious to the negative affects of Trenbolone? Or is someone who has only run one cycle going to experience worse sides and less gains on Tren?

**Half-Life 6** · 04-25-2010, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by sixxer

I've achieved great LBM gains on a Test+Deca cycle. Admittedly, a couple points of BF too, but bulking was my aim. I would run the Deca at at least 300mg/week though. Have some cabergoline on hand.

Out of curiosity, considering you've suggested Deca, why the advising against Trenbolone Acetate?

Is there a minimum number of cycles one must have had to reduce the sides and enhance the gains while running Tren ?

At a certain point does one become impervious to the negative affects of Trenbolone? Or is someone who has only run one cycle going to experience worse sides and less gains on Tren?

exactly he could be ready for tren there's no "break in" period but its just forum culture to not recommend something because its the norm, it's like telling a cop to carry around only a .22 then after a couple of years he'll be ready for a .40

**El Corvino** · 04-25-2010, 04:31 PM

I'm cool with bi weekly injections... but I'm thinking EOD injections for 12 weeks will get old quick though. So I'm still fishing for other ideas...

**sixxer** · 04-25-2010, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by El Corvino

I'm cool with bi weekly injections... but I'm thinking EOD injections for 12 weeks will get old quick though. So I'm still fishing for other ideas...

Test Cypionate and Tren Enanthate , pin twice a week.

**lovbyts** · 04-25-2010, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Half-Life 6

exactly he could be ready for tren there's no "break in" period but its just forum culture to not recommend something because its the norm, it's like telling a cop to carry around only a .22 then after a couple of years he'll be ready for a .40

But a cop or anyone who is just starting out should learn to shoot a .22 before jumping up to the .40 due to the more agressive kick.

Same with Deca /tren . Deca is a good stepping stone, it give good gains, a good step up from Test alone but not as much as Tren and has less sides, not as harsh so it's good to know what the body can handle one step at a time.

Also it's nice to incrase your size and maintain it a little at a time in stead of blowing up quickly and everyone going Hmmmm yup.... Roids

Also you are back at the pinning only 2x a week

**sixxer** · 04-25-2010, 11:26 PM

The analogy isn't quite right.

I guess it'd be closer to telling someone who has never taken drugs before, to smoke weed before smoking heroin. As the high and adverse affects of addiction are not quite as bad on weed as h. Once you've had some experience smoking weed, you can spot up.

Even that doesn't compare to what we're dealing with in regards to AAS.

The bottom line is, whether you've had none or one cycle, 4 or 8. The side effects and results of Tren will still affect you the same.

The only variable that warrants determining whether one should use Tren is the individual's maturity and knowledge (read knowledge, not experience).

Will they be mature enough to adjust doses accordingly. Will they be mature enough to deal with the sides in the best possible way. Do they have the knowledge as to what should be used should sides become unacceptable? And so on.

Only the individual can ascertain whether they are mature enough, we can not make that judgment (most of the time) from reading their posts. Fortunately, we are in a position to provide the information to increase their knowledge to provide a better foundation for them to include Tren in their cycles with the least problems and the best results.

**sixxer** · 04-25-2010, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

But a cop or anyone who is just starting out should learn to shoot a .22 before jumping up to the .40 due to the more agressive kick.

Same with Deca /tren . Deca is a good stepping stone, it give good gains, a good step up from Test alone but not as much as Tren and has less sides, not as harsh so it's good to know what the body can handle one step at a time.

Also it's nice to incrase your size and maintain it a little at a time in stead of blowing up quickly and everyone going Hmmmm yup.... Roids

Also you are back at the pinning only 2x a week

Deca + Test will still provide results that get people thinking, 'dude's on the gear!'

And you can still run Test + Tren and only pin twice a week.

Also, depending on the individual, Deca may provide more sides than Tren. And if one is susceptible to the bad sides of Tren, whether he does a cylce of Deca first, or has 12 cycles or 1 under their belt, Tren will still affect them just the same.

**gym_junki** · 04-26-2010, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by sixxer

Also, depending on the individual, Deca may provide more sides than Tren. And if one is susceptible to the bad sides of Tren, whether he does a cylce of Deca first, or has 12 cycles or 1 under their belt, Tren will still affect them just the same.

agree. wif u there but u cant pin prop twice a week.
his done 3 cycles before and did good on them and saying that he needs this one to build lean muscle and reduce bf% so best id go wif is prop and tren a
keep t low like a 150mg peop eod and 50mg tren eod its not too much and ull get good results.

**sixxer** · 04-26-2010, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by gym_junki

agree. wif u there but u cant pin prop twice a week.
his done 3 cycles before and did good on them and saying that he needs this one to build lean muscle and reduce bf% so best id go wif is prop and tren a
keep t low like a 150mg peop eod and 50mg tren eod its not too much and ull get good results.

I was referring to Test Cyp and Tren Enanthate when I mentioned bi-weekly injections.

And the more I've spoken to other people, it would appear that with esters such as Prop and Ace, you'd be much better off pinning ED.

But I still agree with you, EOD should still provide great gains and those doses would suit too.

**gym_junki** · 04-26-2010, 01:16 AM

yeh sorry sixxer i mis understood that. i did prop eod a while ago for 4 weeks and had to stop cos of a bad m/bike accident. 100mg eod was gud for me out of the 4 weeks i got like 7kg hard training gud diet it was my first cycle lol lost it all being in hospital.
also i was reading ur other posts, ed is good and if u go wif eod u will not have a prob