Suboxone use while ON cycle???!!!

**Freedom-Fighter** · 04-24-2010, 11:47 PM

Gents/ladies, i need your assistance with a client!

I have a client that has been on Suboxone for around 4 years now. He has been taking Suboxone for a Dopamine Deficiency disease, and not for an Opiate addiction.

With that being said, he is getting ready to start a AAS cycle. Is is currently healthy, other than LOW natural Test Levels.

I do know that there is really no true Major Drug interaction between Suboxone and (Most) AAS, however, what i don't know is, is there any effects that take place that anyone has experienced, that would be considered out of the ordinary (ordinary AAS Side effects)? Has anyone of you run a cycle while on Suboxone or Subutex? I am a little concerned for him, and want to make sure that this decision is not going to cause some serious damage.

What do you think he would experience?

He is going to run:
Test Prop (150mg EOD)
EQ (200mg Week)
Anavar (50mg daily)

This will be his 4th cycle. He is 41 years old.

Has anyone had any personal experience with any of these substances on Suboxone? Any help would be appreciated!

**Matt** · 04-25-2010, 03:34 AM

I dont understand why he's one suboxone in the first place if he's suffering with a dopamine deficiency. The suboxone is already putting alot of strain on his body...

There maybe people on here with a better idea, maybe Swifto....

**Matt** · 04-25-2010, 03:39 AM

Im also alittle confused here, is this cycle for you or your client??????????

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=428244

**AlphaGenetics** · 04-25-2010, 08:59 AM

Cycle will gtg.

**tronics** · 04-25-2010, 11:02 AM

my best friend just ran his first cycle and is on suboxone and had no issues...actually didnt hinder gains either...he blew up..added 20lbs with bodyfat still under 10%

but this is just from my friends expiernece...i have no idea long term or real medical advice

**anabol1590** · 04-25-2010, 06:38 PM

My brother just ran a cycle while on suboxone and everything was fine. Didnt affect gains and no side effects. He only ran 400mg test e a week for 12 weeks.

**Freedom-Fighter** · 04-25-2010, 07:22 PM

Thanks for the input.

007....as for your 2 questions.....

1. He has a rare disorder (Only ~600 are born with it) in which his body has downregulated his MU Receptor sites, and is naturally, no longer able to product Dopamine. He has gone through 15 medications, and all were unsuccessful. The only category of Meds that work for his particular disorder or Opiate based medications, because they directly stimulate the release of Dopamine @ the MU Receptor site. With that being said, knowing he will probably be on Opiates for a LONG time, both he and his doctor decided that Suboxone (Same as Subutex minus a blocker),was the best treatment option.

2. Negative, the first question/cycle is for me. That is a cycle i am going to probably run next week...+/- a few details. He is going to run a much more moderate cycle, considering this will only be his 3rd cycle.

So with that said, i was simply trying to figure out if anyone has experienced a cycle while on Subs....and i appreciate the feedback Tronics/Anabol1590....as all that i can tell him is that technically the compounds will not interact with the Suboxone, however, that does not mean it will not effect him...which is what i wanted to know....is if anyone had experienced any unusual sides while combining the 2.

**AlphaGenetics** · 04-25-2010, 09:02 PM

Are you sure your not the one on suboxone and this thread is for you?

**Freedom-Fighter** · 04-25-2010, 09:16 PM

Haha for sure Alpha. Personally, if i was on Suboxone, there is NO way in hell i would cycle. The stress that the combination would put on my kidneys/liver would be more than im willing to risk. Now that were on that topic AlphaGenetics, what do you think about my cycle? Anything i can add/take out to improve overall gains in Lean muscle mass/decrease body fat?

**ninesecz** · 04-25-2010, 10:59 PM

As long as he gets his LFT'ss monitored and monthly bloodwork should be fine! There is really no connection between opiates and steroids ! (suboxone is still considered an opiate!)

**Freedom-Fighter** · 04-25-2010, 11:58 PM

Thanks for the feedback Ninesecz.....i agree with you and the connection between the 2...i have yet to find any documentation of an interaction......ill let him know everyone's input. thanks again

**oldschoolfitness** · 04-26-2010, 04:09 AM

i have been on suboxone and currentley subutex (because of generic) for almost 3 years i have not run but 1 cycle and currentley running a cycle i have experienced no complications