best shape before cousin's wedding

[tydra]

This is my first post as well as my first foray into steroids, so I'd appreciate any support here.

I'm 33, 6 feet, 210 pounds. I don't really know my fat percentage but I've been doing martial arts for ages before converting to bodybuilding for the last 6 months now.

I have a few questions re a long term cycle I've come up with. Before anyone starts attacking me, please note:

- I HAVE done a lot of research but there are a lot of contradictory facts/opinions out there.
- I'm kinda limited re the gear I can get my hands on in my country.
- I'm not really too worried about how I look right now but I'm aiming to be in the best possible shape I can towards the end of July.

So, here it is:
- wks 1-8: 200mg deca/wk
- wks 1-8: 100mg winny/eod
- wks 5-12: 500mg test e/wk
- wks 9-16: 600mg primo/wk
- wks 9-16: 100mg winny/eod

I've already started the cycle around the beginning of April so I should be done with the whole cycle before the end of July as planned, in order to pack as much mass as possible before shedding the bloat as well as keeping maximum gains using the primo and winny for a month after my last test e injection, to ultimately look as best as possible by the end of July.

I'm very satisfied with the deca and winny till now.

My questions are:

- does the above make sense?
- would sus add more gain then test e?
- would the overlapping of primo and winny with the test e protect my gains?
- would the bloating from test disappear within a month of my last injection?
- would prov,adex,novaldex minimize the bloating during the cycle without affecting my gains,or should I just use them as part of my pct,and how?

Thanks in advance.

[Necrosaro]

That cycle needs work and clearly not enough research was done. There is so many first cycles on here not sure where you got your information from

- does the above make sense?(No)

- would sus add more gain then test e?(A test cycle of 500mgs twice a week would be better for your needs that is if you are not over 15 percent bodyfat)

- would the overlapping of primo and winny with the test e protect my gains?(Where was this data from; doesn't make any sense)

- would the bloating from test disappear within a month of my last injection?(Bloat should be under control with the right pct measures)

- would prov,adex,novaldex minimize the bloating during the cycle without affecting my gains,or should I just use them as part of my pct,and how?(Nolva should be used during cycle and after cycle with clomid)

[barnyap]

well researched? prob most unstructed and pointless cycle ive ever seen

[barnyap]

you used deca and winny for first 8 weeks with no test?? goodbye libido, ur gonna be shutdown hard

[RoadToRecovery]

That cycle needs work and clearly not enough research was done. There is so many first cycles on here not sure where you got your information from

- does the above make sense?(No)

- would sus add more gain then test e?(A test cycle of 500mgs twice a week would be better for your needs that is if you are not over 15 percent bodyfat)

- would the overlapping of primo and winny with the test e protect my gains?(Where was this data from; doesn't make any sense)

- would the bloating from test disappear within a month of my last injection?(Bloat should be under control with the right pct measures)

- would prov,adex,novaldex minimize the bloating during the cycle without affecting my gains,or should I just use them as part of my pct,and how?(Nolva should be used during cycle and after cycle with clomid)

Whats wrong with the cycle?

well researched? prob most unstructed and pointless cycle ive ever seen

Why?

you used deca and winny for first 8 weeks with no test?? goodbye libido, ur gonna be shutdown hard

Why?

[Necrosaro]

About the cycle.... wks 1-8: 200mg deca/wk- wks 1-8: 100mg winny/eod should have been the first highlight in the head without having test as a base which starts later in cycle and test ran for only 7 weeks after the Deca/Winstrol. So many things wrong here. There is really no explaination needed if research has been done prior to the cycle.

[bdodge2]

From what I see, and I'm no expert,

Test E should have been used from week 1.......it takes 4 weeks to really kick in and 2 weeks to clear your system.

Winny or any oral should not be run for more then 6 weeks to protect your liver. Usually you back end your cycle, not start a cycle, running it 2 weeks past test, to dry up, then start PCT.

Deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks prior to test to clear your system before test does so you don't completely blow your libedo and suffer from deca dick.

Why are you taking primo and winny out to week 16???

What are your PCT plans?????

[dieseljimmy]

how about
wk 1-12 test E or c or sust at 500mg
wk 1-12 deca at 400 mg
wk 9-16 winny 100 mg ED
wk 12-16 test p 100 mg ED
with some proviron 50 mg a day to keep bloat off

option-
wk 1-16 primo 500 mg (I would think you would be better off upping the doses then added primo IMO. primo is like EQ for me- I will use but the price better be right)

[tydra]

Well, the logic behind the cycle goes like this (again,sorry of this doesn't sound right, but I have been checking out a lot of sites. Quite a few don't adhere to the idea of having test as the base for every cycle):
- Deca is a solid gainer, with winny to support solid gains and help decrease bloating.
- test e for 8 weeks, first injection actually starting halfway through the deca/winny cycle for it to reach it's active halflife as soon as deca tapers off.
- primo to start halfway through the test cycle to solidify the gains and keep as much as possible.
- again winny, to help in the shredding process.
- not too worried about temp shutdown,I'm celibate anyway.as long as not permanent and can keep max gains.
- was planning hcg and nolva for pct.

Btw,thx for the prompt replies. I didn't expect answers so soon.

[Noles12]

Whats wrong with the cycle?



Why?



Why?

There is a lot wrong with the cycle.

First its his first cylce and he is runnig 4 things. How would he know where the sides are coming from if he doesnt know how he responds to each individually. Thats why a simple test cycle is best first. Then maybe add another compound in the next cycle so you can know if a side effect occurs in the second one that is was from the new compound you have never tried.

Second he is running deca for 4 weeks before he is running test. Which means he will be shutting down his natural production with no test in his system which will bring many sides with it.

Third test E is a long ester. It will take 4-6 weeks to start noticing real gains and his plan is to run it for only 8 weeks. There is a reason why guys say 12 weeks on Test E.

Fourth it seems that his plan is to run his Winny two weeks into his PCT (if he even has one). I say this because his test would end 4 weeks before the end of his winny, and the PCT protocol with Test E would have him already into his PCT for 2 weeks. Therefore he is trying to restart his natural production while at the same time shutting it down.

Fifth he doesnt have a set PCT. e is asking how he should go about it

SO therefore it is a horrible plan for a cycle. Would you like to defend why it is good?

[barnyap]

Man all those compounds... looks like a pro looking to compete, but your reason is to look good for your cousins wedding lol unless the wedding comprises of everyone taking their clothes off i suggest diet and cardio

[RoadToRecovery]

There is a lot wrong with the cycle.

First its his first cylce and he is runnig 4 things. How would he know where the sides are coming from if he doesnt know how he responds to each individually. Thats why a simple test cycle is best first. Then maybe add another compound in the next cycle so you can know if a side effect occurs in the second one that is was from the new compound you have never tried.

Second he is running deca for 4 weeks before he is running test. Which means he will be shutting down his natural production with no test in his system which will bring many sides with it.

Third test E is a long ester. It will take 4-6 weeks to start noticing real gains and his plan is to run it for only 8 weeks. There is a reason why guys say 12 weeks on Test E.

Fourth it seems that his plan is to run his Winny two weeks into his PCT (if he even has one). I say this because his test would end 4 weeks before the end of his winny, and the PCT protocol with Test E would have him already into his PCT for 2 weeks. Therefore he is trying to restart his natural production while at the same time shutting it down.

Fifth he doesnt have a set PCT. e is asking how he should go about it

SO therefore it is a horrible plan for a cycle. Would you like to defend why it is good?

This is an answer that I was looking for the OP to get. Not -

well researched? prob most unstructed and pointless cycle ive ever seen

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

[smiler]

That cycle needs work and clearly not enough research was done. There is so many first cycles on here not sure where you got your information from

- does the above make sense?(No)

- would sus add more gain then test e?(A test cycle of 500mgs twice a week would be better for your needs that is if you are not over 15 percent bodyfat)

- would the overlapping of primo and winny with the test e protect my gains?(Where was this data from; doesn't make any sense)

- would the bloating from test disappear within a month of my last injection?(Bloat should be under control with the right pct measures)

- would prov,adex,novaldex minimize the bloating during the cycle without affecting my gains,or should I just use them as part of my pct,and how?(Nolva should be used during cycle and after cycle with clomid)

bro? is this a typo, or are you recommending a gram a week for this guy???

[tydra]

Thanks EVERYONE,

Especially roadtorecovery, appreciate it I did expect a few attacks as there are a lot of different opinions out there.

I guess the cycle IS too complicated. But then again, how can I differentiate between what's right and wrong? Example: I haven't been able to judge whether the principle of basing every cycle on test or not is the right way, when I've read articles supporting both sides. I think I'll need to try out both myself. I only want to at least avoid any permanent damage.

[Noles12]

This is an answer that I was looking for the OP to get. Not -

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

In what way have you pointed him in the right direction. By disagreeing with other members trying to give him advice but not supporting why you think the OP has a good cycle? Pointing out what they have wrong is the first step to pointing them in the right direction

[RoadToRecovery]

In what way have you pointed him in the right direction. By disagreeing with other members trying to give him advice but not supporting why you think the OP has a good cycle? Pointing out what they have wrong is the first step to pointing them in the right direction

Ummm... I think you need to re read the 5 word sentence I initially posted.

I didnt disagree with any one.

I didnt say the OP posted a good cycle.

Thanks for completely missing the point.

[Noles12]

Thanks EVERYONE,

Especially roadtorecovery, appreciate it I did expect a few attacks as there are a lot of different opinions out there.

I guess the cycle IS too complicated. But then again, how can I differentiate between what's right and wrong? Example: I haven't been able to judge whether the principle of basing every cycle on test or not is the right way, when I've read articles supporting both sides. I think I'll need to try out both myself. I only want to at least avoid any permanent damage.

Cycles are recommended to have a test base because most steroids shut down your natural production. Low or no testosterone can bring depression, no libido, less energy, etc. Deca shuts you down really hard. Therefore the synthetic test replaces the test lost while you are shut down.

I explained earlier why running all of those compounds at once for a first cycle was a bad idea

[Noles12]

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

I've yet to see you do this in this thread. You asking other memebrs why they said what they did comes off as you disagreeing with what they said. This in no way helps the OP.

So rather than saying that other people are doing wrong in how they respond to the question why dont you help out the OP

[RoadToRecovery]

I've yet to see you do this in this thread. You asking other memebrs why they said what they did comes off as you disagreeing with what they said. This in no way helps the OP.

So rather than saying that other people are doing wrong in how they respond to the question why dont you help out the OP

I asked why - I didnt disagree for the last time.

People waste both their time and the OPs time by posting irrelevant semi-answers.

And by the looks of it, I did help the OP. You came along and gave a definitive answer regarding the initial post just to try to harp on the fact that I questioned both members.

What ever the perception is, all I did was ask why. So you can hop off your high horse, and see my questions for what they are. Assuming only makes you out to be the bad guy in the end, especially for a question as cut and dry as "why" .

[Noles12]

he did not thank you for help on his cycle. he thanked you for saying that people arent helpful on this board.

But in no way have you helped him with his cycle

[RoadToRecovery]

he did not thank you for help on his cycle. he thanked you for saying that people arent helpful on this board.

But in no way have you helped him with his cycle

I dont understand what your motive is. Are you asking for someone to credit you for giving the answer he was after?

And I did help him, you answered his question by attacking me.

So in turn, had I not asked why, he would still be getting answers like -
"This is wrong". "You need to research". Or "you dont know what you are doing". Instead of your detailed response to my post.

Maybe when you understand my point you will understand that you are after the wrong person.

[Necrosaro]

With my statement of 500mgs a week total not 1 gram a week. Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. 500mgs a week split into two.

[smiler]

With my statement of 500mgs a week total not 1 gram a week. Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. 500mgs a week split into two.

ok, well just so you know... 500mg twice per week..... means a gram a week.
250 mg twice ew would mean 500mg ew total just be careful bro

[AlphaGenetics]

No test until week 5 and your going to run test e which dosent kick in for a couple weeks? Bad idea.

[taiboxa]

LOL what a THREAD! anyways.. from an educational point of view.. a PERSON will learn more if he has to ANSWER HIS OWN QUESTIONS thus Road to Recovery was onto something.. anyone who has mentored/tutored knows you actually learn more from TEACHING inplace of BEING taught.

with that being said.. the cycle is poorly designed but it matters not as its already been initiated and thus should be chalked up as a loss.. remedied as best as possible and time to start preparing for the future

No test until week 5 and your going to run test e which dosent kick in for a couple weeks? Bad idea.

KICKING IN and Being utilized physlogically are two different things.. "KICKING IN" means you have had it in yoru system long enough to acquire gains and results from the compond via working out and dieting.. i.e. it has to BE IN YOUR SYSTEM for x amount of time while training w/ it ACTIVE in your system too see results.. but as for being in his system to REPLACE and remedy the affects of suffering from suppressions of his endogenous testosterone production.. it only takes a few day for the human body to start cleaving the ester and attaining testosterone to resume proper edoncrinological/physlogical functions

[RoadToRecovery]

LOL what a THREAD! anyways.. from an educational point of view.. a PERSON will learn more if he has to ANSWER HIS OWN QUESTIONS thus Road to Recovery was onto something.. anyone who has mentored/tutored knows you actually learn more from TEACHING inplace of BEING taught.

You know how to cut to the core of me tai

[taiboxa]

You know how to cut to the core of me tai

its because im capable of seeing things that no one else can..

unless they also have adhd+odd+add+ocd+alcohol+extremely competitive mentality.. then.. well they'd probably see just like i see ><