hockey player not sure what cycle to take?

[gongshow]

stats:
6'3
190lbs
Training: intense 4 days a week, lots of cardio

Hi guys, I want to start an off season cycle my goal is to gain 20 lbs and be at 210. It will be my first time using steroids and am not sure what to take, I wanted to keep to injects so I don't create any liver problems. I was planing on runing a cycle for 3 months and testing although random may be an issue in september. I wanted to increase speed, strength and size. One cycle I have thought about is sustanon and winstrol. I play semi pro hockey and would like to make the jump to the NHL so your help would be greatly appreciated

[Matt]

How old are you and what is your bf%????

[Tyler694]

Wow! Someone asking for first cycle advice that is actually against orals! Yay!

Run a test only cycle. While I prefer prop, most here will recommend a 10-12 cycle of cyp or enth. (12 weeks = 3~ months)

I don't think winstrol is needed. I also wouldn't recommend sustanon, from a personal standpoint. You'll most likely experience better results with a single ester test.

Training seems to be in check. Is your diet?

[gongshow]

22, bf% jumps any where from 9-12%

[gongshow]

i am on a strict diet, fallowing a guide with a nutritionist

[Tyler694]

Wow! Someone asking for first cycle advice that is actually against orals! Yay!

Run a test only cycle. While I prefer prop, most here will recommend a 10-12 cycle of cyp or enth. (12 weeks = 3~ months)

I don't think winstrol is needed. I also wouldn't recommend sustanon, from a personal standpoint. You'll most likely experience better results with a single ester test.

Training seems to be in check. Is your diet?

[gongshow]

so you think that a test prop cycle for 12 weeks would be good?

[Matt]

22, bf% jumps any where from 9-12%

Ok, i take it you understand the risks you run with cycling at such a young age?? Damage to growth plates, damage to hpta if these are damaged now then theres no repairing them. Have you also looked at the other sides you may encounter, such as gyno, achne, high blood pressure and balding just to name a few...

Now if you've come to terms with these then imo you should look at a test e/c cycle, fewer injections...

Do you know what pct is???

[gongshow]

i have spoken to my doctor and he said that because of the short duration i shouldnt encounter many of these side effects the main concern to me was the stunting of growth but that shouldnt be an issue. i do not know what pct is exactly

[Matt]

Spend some time reading through this link, it will help you understand what pct is and how important it is..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

You will also need to spend sometime reading through the begginers threads at the top of this forum... At least know and understand what it is your putting into your body...

And pass on your doctors phone number so i can tell him what i think of him...

[gongshow]

so you think that a test prop cycle for 12 weeks would be good?

[gongshow]

so you think that a test prop cycle for 12 weeks would be good?

[gongshow]

if you were in my situation and going to use roids, what would you take and for how long? keep in mind the drug testing.

[hardgainer1]

yeah, test prop, short esther, out of system faster than enanthate or cypionate. You just have to inject every other day, 100 mg per shot should do it. Make sure you rotate injection sites.

[gongshow]

thanks for the advice hardgainer, what is the most effective site to inject?

[Matt]

I take it now that your good to go with your pct plan and you have an ai on hand...

[gongshow]

ive been reading about pct and hgc and still not exactly sure what they do????aswell whats an "ai" and what is gyno?

sorry about the questions guys

thanks for the help!

[gongshow]

aswell is there any specific steroid that will help with speed??

[gongshow]

any other suggestions?

[gongshow]

bump

[Vullfromsc]

speed: ben johnson took winstrol
(athlete who won the 100m dash at the olympics for canada i believe, he tested positive and was then stripped of his metal)
cheap and it is oral or injectable
very good for building fast twitch (red) muscle.. just gives people joint issues sometimes

[gongshow]

thanks for that, i was thinking of winstrol i heard the injects stay in your system longer than the orals is that true?

[Vullfromsc]

yeah according to the information on this site and other places i have read, injectable winstrol stays in your system longer than oral winstrol

plus, injectable winstrol is supposed to be very painful to inject

[gongshow]

ok so this is what i was thinking of

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD

Weeks 13-14: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 15-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

how would i add winstrol into that?

[Vullfromsc]

ok so this is what i was thinking of

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Weeks 13-14: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 15-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

how would i add winstrol into that?

i added it into your quote in bold

[gongshow]

now if i only do it for 3 weeks will it do much damage to my liver??

sorry for all the questions, thank for the help

[Vullfromsc]

no problem, you will be ok running it for 3-4 weeks, even though it is damaging to your liver

3 or 4 weeks won't hurt you too bad.

you can get some liv 52 from AR-R, which will aid your liver when you are taking the pills
(AR-R is the banner that the top right of this website, they sell syringes, pct stuff, liv 52, and a lot of other shit)
or you can get milkthistle at a convenience store for after your cycle to recover if you are worried about liver function

[gongshow]

ok so that sounds like a good cycle as long as my workouts are on and my diet i should be able to gain about 15-20lbs right? what size needles should i use? where do i get them and do you ever get the question howd you get big so fast lol

[Vullfromsc]

25G 1" needles are the way to go

you can basically use them anywhere but your glutes.. (shoulder, quad, pec, etc. where ever you feel comfortable)

www.ar-r.com you can get almost everything you need on that site, except the actual steroids

and just tell people you started eating a lot more and you are taking creatine or something.

for a first cycle 20+ lbs is VERY possible. just eat a lot and work hard. be smart

[gongshow]

that all sounds good i just have one more question is hcg nessecary and will the nolvadex prevent gyno?

[Vullfromsc]

hcg is not necessary.

gyno is better prevented by arimidex, letro, or exemestane

i would recommend you keep one of those on hand in case your nipples get puffy or you start to get acne. they will help both

[gongshow]

ok great thanks for all your help i look forward to starting this cycle up!

[Vullfromsc]

good luck.

oh and by the way.. GO PENS

[gongshow]

ahaha

[gongshow]

radther see them win than mtl

[hockey20]

Hey I am playing in the AAHL, how is that cycle going? Might start this week...