Do AAS raise White Blood Cell count?

[Fetch]

Just got blood work done, and my White Blood Cell count came out nearly double the accepted 'normal' value. I'm curious if the cycle of DBol and Test I started around 4 weeks ago could be the cause. Anyone know?

[Fetch]

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[tboney]

Usually elevated white blood cell count indicstes an infection of some sort. Do you have any other symtoms? Have you been sick?

[Fetch]

Nope, not sick at all and no infections. I've heard that Leukemia can do it too. -shrug- I've also heard that Corticosteroids can cause elevated white blood cells. I didn't know if Anabolic steroids would have a similar effect.

[critical]

i'm pretty sure you're fine

[Bonaparte]

They increase RBC. Your body is likely fighting some sort of infection (like a cold).

[Swifto]

Testosterone Enanthate caused a "Mild but significant increase in white blood cell count..." in men given TE. Their serum T was also kept in "...normal population range in almost all instances" (HRT doses) as shown in the study below.





Fertil Steril. 1983 Jul;40(1):100-4.

Effect of testosterone enanthate on hematopoiesis in normal men.
Palacios A, Campfield LA, McClure RD, Steiner B, Swerdloff RS.

Abstract
Testosterone enanthate, a commonly used depot form of androgen, was administered to normal men according to several dose schedules. This resulted in significant increments in serum testosterone levels despite the fact that testosterone concentrations remained within the normal population range in almost all instances. Mild but significant increases in white blood cell, red blood cell, hematocrit, and hemoglobin concentrations were noted. These effects correlated with the dose frequency schedules. Negligible changes in mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin, and mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration were observed. Despite the significant individual increases in blood parameters, all values remained within the normal population range and no clinical manifestations were observed.

PMID: 6862037 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



RBC is increased moreso in subjects using exogenous testosterone, its more of a concern the larger the dose too. I suspect some IFBB's give blood to keep it down, or get BW done routinely as it can caused circulation problems (increase risk of CHD, increase BP, etc...).

[taiboxa]

Testosterone Enanthate caused a "Mild but significant increase in white blood cell count..." in men given TE. Their serum T was also kept in "...normal population range in almost all instances" (HRT doses) as shown in the study below.





Fertil Steril. 1983 Jul;40(1):100-4.

Effect of testosterone enanthate on hematopoiesis in normal men.
Palacios A, Campfield LA, McClure RD, Steiner B, Swerdloff RS.

Abstract
Testosterone enanthate, a commonly used depot form of androgen, was administered to normal men according to several dose schedules. This resulted in significant increments in serum testosterone levels despite the fact that testosterone concentrations remained within the normal population range in almost all instances. Mild but significant increases in white blood cell, red blood cell, hematocrit, and hemoglobin concentrations were noted. These effects correlated with the dose frequency schedules. Negligible changes in mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin, and mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration were observed. Despite the significant individual increases in blood parameters, all values remained within the normal population range and no clinical manifestations were observed.

PMID: 6862037 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



RBC is increased moreso in subjects using exogenous testosterone, its more of a concern the larger the dose too. I suspect some IFBB's give blood to keep it down, or get BW done routinely as it can caused circulation problems (increase risk of CHD, increase BP, etc...).

Funny story on the whole giving blood thing.. to keep it down..
Long time use of tren+ other goodies = high rbc/blood pressure, so i go to give blood.. they tell me we cant take it, your blood pressure is too high.. im like wha.. NO.. im here to GIVE BLOOD to lower blood pressure.. (so im getting angry.. making blood pressure go up) they keep refussing me because after everytime they take my BP .. its magically GONE UP even more!

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[BJJ]

It happened to me:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=428028

[Bonaparte]

Funny story on the whole giving blood thing.. to keep it down..
Long time use of tren+ other goodies = high rbc/blood pressure, so i go to give blood.. they tell me we cant take it, your blood pressure is too high.. im like wha.. NO.. im here to GIVE BLOOD to lower blood pressure.. (so im getting angry.. making blood pressure go up) they keep refussing me because after everytime they take my BP .. its magically GONE UP even more!

(really a pointless post brought to you by tai for your enjoyment)

They didn't offer to give you a therapeutic phlegbotomy (or veinous section) instead?

[taiboxa]

They didn't offer to give you a therapeutic phlegbotomy (or veinous section) instead?

nope...

[Swifto]

Never had high BP from anything, but then again I havent used high doses at all.

Only thing that seems to effect me is lipids from orals, liver values are mostly always fine. RBC, BP all fine.

[poppz]

i have a friend that was juicin and cut his foot,the dr. said it was b/c the stroids bought down his immune and thats how the infection started.

[Bonaparte]

i have a friend that was juicin and cut his foot,the dr. Said it was b/c the stroids bought down his immune and thats how the infection started.

wtf?

[Shinalynn]

They didn't offer to give you a therapeutic phlegbotomy (or veinous section) instead?

1st-Theraputic phlebotomy has to be Dr. prescribed.
2nd- If you have high blood pressure your heart is working hard. When you give blood your heart pumps harder to circulate blood. The reason they turned you away is so you didnt go into cardiac arrest on the donor bed.


To Tia, If you had asked why I am sure the phlebotomist would have explained it to you.

[Bonaparte]

1st-Theraputic phlebotomy has to be Dr. prescribed.
2nd- If you have high blood pressure your heart is working hard. When you give blood your heart pumps harder to circulate blood. The reason they turned you away is so you didnt go into cardiac arrest on the donor bed.


To Tia, If you had asked why I am sure the phlebotomist would have explained it to you.

That's funny, since giving blood is the only way to reduce RBC, which is a major cause of high BP when using AAS. Giving blood (or undergoing phlebotomy) is practically necessary when running Anadrol or EQ, which both cause a huge increase in RBC. If your blood has turned to sludge from excess RBC, draining off a portion of it will thin it out and make it easier for your heart to pump it. Also, I have heard of blood donation centers offering phlebotomies for $50 to lower RBC in order to donate blood, but I don't know where this was.

[Swifto]

Steroids and the immune system/function...

Covered it before. Use the search feature.

[Shinalynn]

That's funny, since giving blood is the only way to reduce RBC, which is a major cause of high BP when using AAS. Giving blood (or undergoing phlebotomy) is practically necessary when running Anadrol or EQ, which both cause a huge increase in RBC. If your blood has turned to sludge from excess RBC, draining off a portion of it will thin it out and make it easier for your heart to pump it. Also, I have heard of blood donation centers offering phlebotomies for $50 to lower RBC in order to donate blood, but I don't know where this was.

You are right about blood centers taking blood if you have a high red cell count. Your wrong about the blood pressure part. When your body produces a large number of blood cells, unless its chemically induced its caused by either hemachromatosis OR polycythemia. Now Hemachromatosis can be transfused, polycythemia cant. SO ya any random day you can go down and give blood to lower your red cell count. However you cant go down and do a therapeutic.
If you are thinking of donating to lower your RBC you should do a procedure that is called 2RBC. It takes double the amount of red cells and returns all of your plasma back to you. Plasma is 90% water.

Also just as a heads up there is a question on the questionnaire about injecting. If you do or have, and dont intend to lie. It wont be worth your time to go down there.

[Bonaparte]

Your wrong about the blood pressure part. When your body produces a large number of blood cells, unless its chemically induced its caused by either hemachromatosis OR polycythemia. Now Hemachromatosis can be transfused, polycythemia cant.

What exactly am I wrong about? Of course I'm talking about chemically increased RBC. This is an AAS forum, after all.
JW, do you know anything about gear, or just blood donation?

[Shinalynn]

I only ment you were wrong about theraputic phlebotomy, and high red cell count being the cause of high blood pressure. I have no idea about running Andarol or EQ. I am not saying it does not cause high blood pressure, I was saying that there could be other reason causing high blood pressure. To error on the side of saftey most institutions would turn away anyone who has high blood pressure. Unless they were doing a thereaputic phlebotomy. Which you can only do if you have a script.
To be honest I am reading about "gear", and learning about it. I want to learn as much as I can. Also I want to help.

[taiboxa]

What exactly am I wrong about? Of course I'm talking about chemically increased RBC. This is an AAS forum, after all.
JW, do you know anything about gear, or just blood donation?

No need to be such a defensive ass, she was just shining light on therapeutic phlebotomy. Also water retention is another variable for hypertension from anadrol and other compounds, rather than just an increase in RBC. Besides your body will just pump out more RBC's to get back up to its norm by the end of the week anyways and you will just have to donate blood again every 5-7 days.

[Fetch]

Thanks guys, it looks like the AAS must be causing it. Gave me a little relief. =)