First Cycle: TestE only? Or TestE and Dbol?

[rc_p90]

age:25
height:5'9"
weight:170
bf%: 10-13%
experience:3 years
PHs taken: hdrol, epistane, m drol all with proper PCT and proper recovery time.



My question is that I see different posts by people and by articles and stickies. Some say to just start out with TestE and others say Test E and Dbol . Which one should I start with? I know my age, but honestly ive already got my mind set on steroids so nothing can change my mind.

[RunFastJumpHigh]

IMO Test E alone for a first cycle. Works great, you will love the results. Save the dbol for your second cycle if you were planning on doing one. But either way make sure diet is in check before you start for best results.

[rc_p90]

^^

how soon do you start seeing results on just teste. Im now reading that dbol is used to kickstart the dbol. can someone explain please?

[Matt]

Dbol isnt used to kickstart dbol...

Dbol is used to kickstart a long ester test cycle because with a long ester test you may not see any gains for upto 5 weeks...

However a first cycle should be test only imo...

[rc_p90]

Dbol isnt used to kickstart dbol...

Dbol is used to kickstart a long ester test cycle because with a long ester test you may not see any gains for upto 5 weeks...

However a first cycle should be test only imo...

i made a typo. i meant test. thanks for your input

[nath78]

its up 2 u, i ran dbol weeks 1-4 with my test e,test is supposed to kick in after the 3rd week so using dbol will help out with those gains weeks 1-3..
i would run it.

[jeffefrijoles]

Skip the D-bol. I'm steering clear of D-bol altogether, but thats just my opinion. It does increase size and stregnth fairly quickly (which is why its used as a kick start) but it also has severe sides as it aromatizes at a high rate. It can/will cause bloat, acne and gyno among others. Also, the fast gains are usually lost at the end of a D-bol cycle because of this "dirty" gain. Be patient, go with Test E only as I did, and a lot of others did. True, it may take 4-5 weeks to really kick in, but when it does, wow, what a ride!! And you will be happier at the end, after a proper diet and PCT of course, with the gains you achieved and in keeping those gains. Now when they say it wont "kick in" for 5t weeks, dont worry, you will feel the effects after the first week - just that about the 5th, it is greatly amplified! Good luck....

[jeffefrijoles]

PS... there are better orals to add to cycles, IMO, when you are ready to do so.

[nikolai14]

i was in a similar situation, had sustanon and dbol for my first cycle and i decided to run the sus by itself for this one. my reason was that if i do get some aweful sides, i at least want to know which one is causing them. so i would agree with runfastjumphigh in advising you to save the dbol for your second cycle... btw you are too young but if your mind is allready made up then good luck

[RunFastJumpHigh]

^^

how soon do you start seeing results on just teste. Im now reading that dbol is used to kickstart the dbol. can someone explain please?

I saw the test kick in around 3 weeks as do most but yeah it can be up to 5 either way first cycle its great gains you wont be disappointed nd once you experienced your first cycle did you pct waited your off time and if you decide for another try dbol if youd like.

Dbol isnt used to kickstart dbol...

Dbol is used to kickstart a long ester test cycle because with a long ester test you may not see any gains for upto 5 weeks...

However a first cycle should be test only imo...

^I agree test e alone definitely the way to go^

[rc_p90]

test e alone it is then