Young 'Test'

[you.can.do.it]

tryed looking for an answer but couldnt get what i was after.
At a younger age such as 20 or so i was told test isnt that usefull to someone of this age due to the high test levels already. was just wondering if this was true and wether to change the approach.
Thanks

[Matt]

Yes at 20 a young male will have good amounts of free flowing testosterone serging through his body...

Adding test to this would do more harm than good...

[you.can.do.it]

thanks.will go back to the drawing board lol

[Bonaparte]

You'd get good results (steroids work at any age, anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong), but you also risk messing up the best years of your life for natural growth if you stunt your natural HPTA output.

[Someguy123]

tryed looking for an answer but couldnt get what i was after.
At a younger age such as 20 or so i was told test isnt that usefull to someone of this age due to the high test levels already. was just wondering if this was true and wether to change the approach.
Thanks

thats very wrong. test at a younger age will probbably give you better growth, then in later years, since youre already in a natural growing stage. but it can lead to problems down the road, and mess up your endocrine system. which is why its better to wait till youre older.

[calgarian]

You'd get good results (steroids work at any age, anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong), but you also risk messing up the best years of your life for natural growth if you stunt your natural HPTA output.

Could u please NEVER give ANY fvcking advise ever again..........ppl like u ruin the name of steroids and then ppl like me who have to defend it.....
U must be football coach who wants to give his team an edge....asshole

[Someguy123]

Could u please NEVER give ANY fvcking advise ever again..........ppl like u ruin the name of steroids and then ppl like me who have to defend it.....
U must be football coach who wants to give his team an edge....asshole

would you care to elaborate what was wrong with what he said?? because it looks spot on to me.

a lot of people here think its their duty to scare kids away from steroids. i think the lying, just to keep them from doing it till later in life is BS. id rather give them the real information, and let them decide if its worth the risk or not. im nobodies father, its not my job to chastise some kid for being interested in gear.

[Bonaparte]

Could u please NEVER give ANY fvcking advise ever again..........ppl like u ruin the name of steroids and then ppl like me who have to defend it.....
U must be football coach who wants to give his team an edge....asshole

Did you even read the second half of my sentence before judging me?
Are you one of those dumb-asses who lies to kids in order to scare them away from stuff? (i.e.masturbation will make you go blind) I never suggested it would be a good idea to use AAS. IMO, it is best to report facts ACCURATELY and with honesty. Imagine if we all convinced this kid that he shouldn't touch AAS just because it won't work for him (lulz). Then, as soon as he sees one of his buddies pop some Dbol and gain 20lbs, he would be well within his right to assume that we are a bunch of idiots and that everything else we told him was BS as well because we're just a bunch of old AAS elitists. Besides, if he is actually 20 years old, he will be able to do whatever the hell he wants whether you endorse it or not, so it is best to just let him know the REAL risks and let him weigh it out for himself. Never in my post did I tell him its a good idea, I just stated that exogenous hormones cause muscle and strength gains no matter who you are or how old. This is a fact. You're an idiot for flaming someone for merely dispensing INDISPUTABLE facts. Even human bodies under 25 (or whatever number you like) have androgen recpetors. This is a discussion forum for adults, not a BS government scare-tactic campaign website.

[willyg091]

Did you even read the second half of my sentence before judging me?
Are you one of those dumb-asses who lies to kids in order to scare them away from stuff? (i.e.masturbation will make you go blind) I never suggested it would be a good idea to use AAS. IMO, it is best to report facts ACCURATELY and with honesty. Imagine if we all convinced this kid that he shouldn't touch AAS just because it won't work for him (lulz). Then, as soon as he sees one of his buddies pop some Dbol and gain 20lbs, he would be well within his right to assume that we are a bunch of idiots and that everything else we told him was BS as well because we're just a bunch of old AAS elitists. Besides, if he is actually 20 years old, he will be able to do whatever the hell he wants whether you endorse it or not, so it is best to just let him know the REAL risks and let him weigh it out for himself. Never in my post did I tell him its a good idea, I just stated that exogenous hormones cause muscle and strength gains no matter who you are or how old. This is a fact. You're an idiot for flaming someone for merely dispensing INDISPUTABLE facts. Even human bodies under 25 (or whatever number you like) have androgen recpetors. This is a discussion forum for adults, not a BS government scare-tactic campaign website.

agreed BONAPARTE. I wish more people on here would be straight up. People bs'n isnt helping anyone just sending them in circles. I do remember reading this site's forum is for the sole purpose of educating people who are willing to be educated. I dont believe it is the members "duty" to choose whether or not people are qualified to use. I always found it funny and a bit disgraceful when people post saying they are 19 20 21 and so-on asking for help with an upcoming cycle and pct, that automatically everyone that has read it goes to bashing saying you are too young and you give aas a bad name. now i could be wrong but if they are asking those kind of questions its probably a fair guess they have their mind made up already. So what good does it do giving them grief when they arent going to listen anyways when you could in turn be helping them minimize the damage they are doing to their bodies. just a lil somethin to wrap your heads around

[gongshow]

take everything you read with a grain of salt. Take advice an research the shit out of it. If your really serious about taking AAS than your best bet is to go speak with your family doctor they will be straight up give you their opinnion and than is you still want to do they will help you. It also comes in handy if you have any sides, need blood test or generally need to speak with them regarding AAS

Good luck

[Vullfromsc]

Could u please NEVER give ANY fvcking advise ever again..........ppl like u ruin the name of steroids and then ppl like me who have to defend it.....
U must be football coach who wants to give his team an edge....asshole

why do you say this? all of it (especially the tangent of him being a football coach, it makes you sound like an asshole with a grudge or something)

[you.can.do.it]

thanks guys.helped me out and will go from here with research before a descision is made.

[ninesecz]

I put it to young people like this.... If a 40 year old man did a cycle of 500mg a week of testosterone .. He would just a little higher test level than a normal healthy 20 year old man. The only differnece is you are going to do your cycle and those naturally high test levels you started with will be goe forever! Once you do a cycle and shut down your natural test production, it is very unlikely for most that your levels would return to pre- cycle levels. So long story short, it is almost as if you are on a cycle of test because at 20 years old your levels are naturally that high!

[Bonaparte]

I put it to young people like this.... If a 40 year old man did a cycle of 500mg a week of testosterone.. He would just a little higher test level than a normal healthy 20 year old man. The only differnece is you are going to do your cycle and those naturally high test levels you started with will be goe forever! Once you do a cycle and shut down your natural test production, it is very unlikely for most that your levels would return to pre- cycle levels. So long story short, it is almost as if you are on a cycle of test because at 20 years old your levels are naturally that high!

Not to throw more wood on the fire (and I don't advocate AAS use before 21 and a good foundation), but there is no way in hell that ANYBODY's natural test levels are close to 500mg of injectable test/week. I feel that if you have any experience with AAS you know why that isn't true for a multitude of reasons. Anyways, I definitely don't want to come off like I'm encouraging kids to use steroids . I'm just trying to keep the BS separate from the facts.

[you.can.do.it]

so if i had run a cycle of test would my natural levels never return to the height that could potentially be at?

[Bonaparte]

so if i had run a cycle of test would my natural levels never return to the height that could potentially be at?

They might come back to around the same level if you're on the lucky side and do everything right using the best PCT and cycling protocols possible (which takes several years of intense research to accomplish), but there is a strong chance that they won't (same goes for your raging libido).
Now put this idea on the back-burner for a few years until you fully understand what you're doing.

[calgarian]

Did you even read the second half of my sentence before judging me?
Are you one of those dumb-asses who lies to kids in order to scare them away from stuff? (i.e.masturbation will make you go blind) I never suggested it would be a good idea to use AAS. IMO, it is best to report facts ACCURATELY and with honesty. Imagine if we all convinced this kid that he shouldn't touch AAS just because it won't work for him (lulz). Then, as soon as he sees one of his buddies pop some Dbol and gain 20lbs, he would be well within his right to assume that we are a bunch of idiots and that everything else we told him was BS as well because we're just a bunch of old AAS elitists. Besides, if he is actually 20 years old, he will be able to do whatever the hell he wants whether you endorse it or not, so it is best to just let him know the REAL risks and let him weigh it out for himself. Never in my post did I tell him its a good idea, I just stated that exogenous hormones cause muscle and strength gains no matter who you are or how old. This is a fact. You're an idiot for flaming someone for merely dispensing INDISPUTABLE facts. Even human bodies under 25 (or whatever number you like) have androgen recpetors. This is a discussion forum for adults, not a BS government scare-tactic campaign website.

agreed BONAPARTE. I wish more people on here would be straight up. People bs'n isnt helping anyone just sending them in circles. I do remember reading this site's forum is for the sole purpose of educating people who are willing to be educated. I dont believe it is the members "duty" to choose whether or not people are qualified to use. I always found it funny and a bit disgraceful when people post saying they are 19 20 21 and so-on asking for help with an upcoming cycle and pct, that automatically everyone that has read it goes to bashing saying you are too young and you give aas a bad name. now i could be wrong but if they are asking those kind of questions its probably a fair guess they have their mind made up already. So what good does it do giving them grief when they arent going to listen anyways when you could in turn be helping them minimize the damage they are doing to their bodies. just a lil somethin to wrap your heads around

what a surprise one with 600 post and one with 14 post become expert on giving ppl advise....sure tell them it will work without telling them what it will do to their natural production and natural growth ....y u assume that I was saying it wont work.....the bottom line is it is STRONGLY advised not to take test before 23 cause it wont work against their natural levels sure they will grow...u know what I dont need to explain myself to u young punks....keep giving ppl wrong advise and feel like a king. as far as flaming goes i still think u r an idiot of telling them one part of the picture not the full. I am done in this young punk thread

[thisbmine]

Did you even read the second half of my sentence before judging me?
Are you one of those dumb-asses who lies to kids in order to scare them away from stuff? (i.e.masturbation will make you go blind) I never suggested it would be a good idea to use AAS. IMO, it is best to report facts ACCURATELY and with honesty. Imagine if we all convinced this kid that he shouldn't touch AAS just because it won't work for him (lulz). Then, as soon as he sees one of his buddies pop some Dbol and gain 20lbs, he would be well within his right to assume that we are a bunch of idiots and that everything else we told him was BS as well because we're just a bunch of old AAS elitists. Besides, if he is actually 20 years old, he will be able to do whatever the hell he wants whether you endorse it or not, so it is best to just let him know the REAL risks and let him weigh it out for himself. Never in my post did I tell him its a good idea, I just stated that exogenous hormones cause muscle and strength gains no matter who you are or how old. This is a fact. You're an idiot for flaming someone for merely dispensing INDISPUTABLE facts. Even human bodies under 25 (or whatever number you like) have androgen recpetors. This is a discussion forum for adults, not a BS government scare-tactic campaign website.

Agreed. I did do more research but ended up jumping on the juice anyway. Great website with a tonne of information - but the post about the hockey player had members supporting his use (to use it to help advance into NHL) but advising others against it from a small post.

Once your mind is set, its set. No ones going to read a post from someone who has an impressive picture above their name, telling THEM not to use AAS while showing them what can be achieved. Especially with younger people - its just hypocritical.

[calgarian]

another expert comes.....with holy fvck 18 posts......

[Bonaparte]

what a surprise one with 600 post and one with 14 post become expert on giving ppl advise....sure tell them it will work without telling them what it will do to their natural production and natural growth ....y u assume that I was saying it wont work.....the bottom line is it is STRONGLY advised not to take test before 23 cause it wont work against their natural levels sure they will grow...u know what I dont need to explain myself to u young punks....keep giving ppl wrong advise and feel like a king. as far as flaming goes i still think u r an idiot of telling them one part of the picture not the full. I am done in this young punk thread

Are you completely dense?
Did you not see my warning in the second half of the sentence?
See bold below:

You'd get good results (steroids work at any age, anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong), but you also risk messing up the best years of your life for natural growth if you stunt your natural HPTA output.

I stated the facts, and the risk. You keep accusing me of showing only the positive side of the argument, but that is not true. I feel sorry for any ass-backwards, sheltered, brain-washed children you may have.

[calgarian]

Are you completely dense?
Did you not see my warning in the second half of the sentence?
See bold below:



I stated the facts, and the risk. You keep accusing me of showing only the positive side of the argument, but that is not true. I feel sorry for any ass-backwards, sheltered, brain-washed children you may have.

ask u r mom what ur dad name is cause u fulfill the description...Idiot.....

[Bonaparte]

what a surprise one with 600 post and one with 14 post become expert on giving ppl advise....

Ok, I can't speak for the other dude, but I love how you put me down for having around 600 posts EXCLUSIVELY in the Steroid Q&A, PCT, and homebrewing sections, when practically all of your (mindless) 9 billion posts are in the AR lounge. This puts you at about the level of a BB.com "miscer". I'm done here, grandpa.

[calgarian]

good one less idiot to deal with......

[Bonaparte]

ask u r mom what ur dad name is cause u fulfill the description...Idiot.....

I'm sorry, was that even English? "ask u r mom"? Really? You're loosing credibility with each of your incomprehensible posts. Man, this is fun

Edit: Ooooohhhh, I get it! That was idiot for "I'm your daddy". Touche my good sir!

Sorry, I know I said I was done here (this thread obviously), but you're just too much fun.

[thisbmine]

Just because Ive only 18, now 19 posts under my belt shouldnt distract from the fact that once youve made your mind up to take gear, pretty much youre gonna.

I didnt plan on spending my life on this forum. Just while im on my course.

No need to be all negative. I think Ive even read a good post from you Calgarian, keep that up.

[willyg091]

Alright calgarian, how about you gently remove your tapon so we can talk like men(unless that is you in your avatar). Maybe you misunderstood my post( i dk how, it was about at a third grade comprehension level) but I was not saying anything was wrong with you stating the harm you can do to your body, I just do not agree with not helping someone prevent it to the fullest means possible. AND JUST SAYING QUIT MEASURING YOUR KNOWLEDGE BY HOW MANY POST YOU HAVE..... DOUCHEBAG

[calgarian]

Found ur picture tough guy

[Someguy123]

Found ur picture tough guy

ummmm, youre actually the guy who started with the tough guy crap. just sayin..........

[Necrosaro]

This thread is full of failure; calgarian is right with his information and should be taken as gold not coal.

[Matt]

Another thread that needs the lock....

We have a theme here, if your under the age of 24, as a general rule we do our best to diswade you from aas.

The reasons for this are well documented in all the educationl threads at the top of this forum.. It would be much easier for us to advocate every young persons cycle, things would be so so much easier. However that would be both irresponsible and damn right dangerous..

For those of you that dont like this then there are many other web sites on the internet..

[Matt]

Another thread that needs the lock....

We have a theme here, if your under the age of 24, as a general rule we do our best to diswade you from aas.

The reasons for this are well documented in all the educationl threads at the top of this forum.. It would be much easier for us to advocate every young persons cycle, things would be so so much easier. However that would be both irresponsible and damn right dangerous..

For those of you that dont like this then there are many other web sites on the internet..

[calgarian]

Another thread that needs the lock....

We have a theme here, if your under the age of 24, as a general rule we do our best to diswade you from aas.

The reasons for this are well documented in all the educationl threads at the top of this forum.. It would be much easier for us to advocate every young persons cycle, things would be so so much easier. However that would be both irresponsible and damn right dangerous..

For those of you that dont like this then there are many other web sites on the internet..

Please do.......

[corestorm]

found ur picture tough guy

hahaha

[Someguy123]

Another thread that needs the lock....

We have a theme here, if your under the age of 24, as a general rule we do our best to diswade you from aas.

The reasons for this are well documented in all the educationl threads at the top of this forum.. It would be much easier for us to advocate every young persons cycle, things would be so so much easier. However that would be both irresponsible and damn right dangerous..

For those of you that dont like this then there are many other web sites on the internet..

nobody advocated the guys cycle, he was told by everyone not to bother. but this scare tactic misinformation isnt neccessary. and the only reason this thread went to crap, is cause calgarian flipped his lid, when people gave the kid spot on advice.

[calgarian]

Calgarian did it

[MaNiCC]

nobody advocated the guys cycle, he was told by everyone not to bother. but this scare tactic misinformation isnt neccessary. and the only reason this thread went to crap, is cause calgarian flipped his lid, when people gave the kid spot on advice.

Misinformation?


Please show us a study to support your theory?



And to the person who said steroids work at any age, anything to support this?



We dont try to scare people here. im sure quite a few of us would love to see some of the d!cks that come on this site do damage to themselves but what sort of board would we be then?

[MaNiCC]

would you care to elaborate what was wrong with what he said?? because it looks spot on to me.

a lot of people here think its their duty to scare kids away from steroids. i think the lying, just to keep them from doing it till later in life is BS. id rather give them the real information, and let them decide if its worth the risk or not. im nobodies father, its not my job to chastise some kid for being interested in gear.

weird since Kids are not allowed to join this site. if you dont like the way things happen on the site feel free to leave at any moment

[Bonaparte]

And to the person who said steroids work at any age, anything to support this?

You need me to pull out facts showing that AAS increase anabolism in ALL humans, regardless of age or gender? Seriously?
Even if I hadn't seen it in real life just by being a high-school athlete, I'm pretty sure the hundreds of studies using Oxandrolone, Oxymethelone, etc on children (both male and female) with wasting diseases speak for themselves. Am I in crazy-land here? I'm NOT saying that using AAS before you're fully developed is a good idea (because of reasons I mentioned in my first post), just saying that it is foolish to tell people that "gear doesn't work unless you're 25" (or whatever other magical number you prefer).
Can you find something to suggest that we magically sprout androgens receptors once we have reached 25? No, you can't, because it is BS.

[MaNiCC]

So it works on say 12 year olds?


Just because a few here have an age that they recommend people be or above before they start aas doesnt mean we all do. assumption really is the mother of all fvk ups

but most of us would recommend that you are 100% certain that your growth plates are shut first

[Bonaparte]

Responses in bold.

So it works on say 12 year olds?
Yes, it would certainly aid in increasing LBM, though it would also mess up puberty and stunt their growth and natural hormone production (among other things).


Just because a few here have an age that they recommend people be or above before they start aas doesnt mean we all do. assumption really is the mother of all fvk ups

but most of us would recommend that you are 100% certain that your growth plates are shut first.
So we're both on the same page. What's the issue?