My First Cycle-Would Greatly Appreciate Advice

[TheNewDude]

Hi all! Im the new dude..literally.. Not new to the gym or working hard but new to the idea of "enhancement"...

I have a few questions and Im going to try and keep it short and sweet because I tend to ramble a bit.

But first Id like to let you all know a bit about myself. Ive recently been invited to train at one of the best gyms in the world. Ive been here about 3 weeks and have been seeing nice gains. BUT! This is far from my home and I wont be able stay longer than 3 or 4 months.. SO.. I want to MAXIMIZE my gains.

I have gotten my hands on 6 weeks of anavar .. Please...before you start bashing my head in know that I am here for help/advice/constructive criticism.. not to be told im a stupid noob.I know there are a ton of people on this site that have great knowledge and a vast amount of experience on the subject and I hope to become your disciple and learn as much as I can and reach my max potential

Ive done my research and my conclusion is that it is the least harmful but for some reason most hated on...Also know that I am FAR from my home and this is the ONLY thing I can get...So have a bit of compassion and work with the New Dude..

Here are my questions

1. Ive heard mixed reviews on needing PCT with anavar. I am currently taking Methyl Arimatest.. You can buy this at GNC..probably isnt worth a damn but has a nice psychological effect for me..Any information I can get about PCT would be greatly appreciated.

2. Is 6 weeks enough? A few of my friends from back at my home gym have seen great results and swear by it alone..But the more I read on the forums the more I see people disagreeing with what my buddies are telling me. PLEASE understand that I know im better off sticking some of the "good sh1t" in my bum but I cant get that... So anavar is what I have to work with

3. I eat very healthy but I find that I lack the discipline to eat HUGE amounts..Any advice or tricks would be great.

Edit: This may help. Ive been training for 2 years and now train 5 days a week with S/C coaches. My eating is healthy but probably should eat more.
I am 22y/o 6'2, 180 pnds, 15 bf

Hope I havnt talked your ears off and that Im greeted with warmth and understanding..I look forward to learning and reaching my goals


The New Dude signing out.....

[breakbones]

Age?

[TheNewDude]

22 :: l...I knew I was forgetting something

[TheNewDude]

Also taking 3x strength omega fish oils, Mega Men Extreme Athlete which has creatine,NO, multi vitamin and something called x12?, Also taking some liquid aminos.. Probably all bogus stuff but its better than nothing.....I think?

[marcus300]

At your age I would use what you have naturally and dont mess around with your hormones, you could cause yourself damage. I understand why your picking var form your research but if you implement a good diet and training program alongside your natural test you will get the same results as a var cycle IMHO.

Train hard, re-design your diet and build some natural mass and create a good solid base and then in a couple of yrs time reconsider your approach, best of luck

[TheNewDude]

I actually think I have abnormally low testosterone lvls.. I dont have any proof of this.. Thats just the way I feel..
I do very much respect your opinion I just want the results I will get naturally on top of some "help".. I feel like I need to make the best of the short time I get to train with this great team

[marcus300]

I actually think I have abnormally low testosterone lvls.. I dont have any proof of this.. Thats just the way I feel

You need to go to the doctor and get a full blood work done.

[TheNewDude]

It will probably be high right now because of the test booster im taking no? Actually I got it from GNC so it probably is just a placebo

[marcus300]

You need to go and get bloodwrok done and not take steroids , dont worry about the test booster I doubt it will make a difference.

[TheNewDude]

What will happen if it is low? Just curious? And is getting blood work done expensive?

[marcus300]

What will happen if it is low? Just curious? And is getting blood work done expensive?

I doubt you have low test i am sure its in your head. Your doctor will advice the best course of action but you dont want to be taking steroids at your age wait till your 24yrs old and first build a base from hard training and a solid diet. Ive no idea how much bloodwork is in your country, its free in the UK.

[TheNewDude]

I will definitely go see the doc on my next day off. I dont want to sound stubborn; I just want to make the most of this once in a lifetime opportunity I have here.. Im not talking about the roids but this gym.. I mean I traveled 2000 miles to be here.. Im away from my family and my friends and I just want to make it worth it.. Im eating good.. Im training harder than I ever have in my entire life..I just dont think its enough

Edit: Worst case scenario what would happen if I took the var? What would be the difference of doing at 22 as opposed to 24?

[marcus300]

I will definitely go see the doc on my next day off. I dont want to sound stubborn; I just want to make the most of this once in a lifetime opportunity I have here.. Im not talking about the roids but this gym.. I mean I traveled 2000 miles to be here.. Im away from my family and my friends and I just want to make it worth it.. Im eating good.. Im training harder than I ever have in my entire life..I just dont think its enough

Edit: Worst case scenario what would happen if I took the var? What would be the difference of doing at 22 as opposed to 24?

Aswell as stubborn your not listening, with a solid diet and training program and your natural testosterone you will get the roughly the same results as taking var, forget steroids at your age.

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[TheNewDude]

The craziest part of this whole thing is that I know youre right..
I definitely dont want to damage my Hpta.. thats the whole reason I got the var because I heard the side effects were minimal if any..
This is an extremely hard decision for me.. Im going to truly ingrain what youve told me into my mind and deliberate on this a bit..
I really do appreciate your advice and knowledge

[marcus300]

Var is mild but why risk anything when all you need to do is re-design your diet and you will achieve roughly the same kinds of results

[TheNewDude]

My coaches regiment my diet pretty hardcore but there is always room for improvement. You mentioned seeing how your body responds to certain foods at certain times.. Im not even sure I know my body well enough to be able to tell to be honest with you.

I try to eat 5 meals a day around 500 cals each 1/3 fat,1/3carbs, 1/3protein and I usually carb up in the morning before I train..I know this may not be the best diet but Im trying to be 100% honest here.

You said I can achieve roughly the same results without the var..but what kind of results can I gain with proper diet, hard work ethic, and the var? Im trying to weigh the pros and cons and as of now youve only mentioned the cons..

I want to look at this and base my decision by looking at it from every angle. You said yourself that var is quite mild so what is the probability of me getting all of the side effects? And are all of them permanent?
I dont think Im growing any more as I stopped getting taller in highschool though I am definitely continuing to fill out as in the last 2 years Ive put on about 10 pnds a year. Is there a side effect that may cause me to stop filling out?

And I must also be honest in mentioning that I do have ulterior motives here.. I will soon be attending acting school and would like to be MAX potential. This is me being completely honest. hope im not judged too harshly

Edit: Wow I just saw what joe-19 said in reply to you marcus.. I hope Im not seeming the same way.. I mean no disrespect and I know you know far more than I do..As I said Im just trying to see it from every angle.. If Im being an Ass Hat let me know and I will tear down this thread..

[TheNewDude]

Im going to sleep on it for tonight. Marcus I really appreciate your advice and Im taking to heart.
If anyone else cares to drop me some info please feel free to do so I will greatly appreciate it wether it be for or against the cycle. If so please read the post above this one and my initial intentions. I am being nothing but honest and I very much appreciate all input. Goodnight yall

[thisbmine]

Not sure where "out here" is - can you order them online?

Im not too sure what is so special about this gym youre attending that is FAR from home.. I mean if it has weights and you have experience training, im sort of at a loss as to what you have there that you dont have back home.

Anyways a 6 week course seems short. Im doing a 12 week course. And I know you cant get your hands on some test now (hence Im wondering why this gym is so special) - but to me it seems wiser to save it until you can get your hands on it. More info on this special gym would be great. Otherwise just, be alert and take in all theyre teaching you and apply it when you get home.

[calgarian]

Aswell as stubborn your not listening, with a solid diet and training program and your natural testosterone you will get the roughly the same results as taking var, forget steroids at your age.

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

what else there is left to say?????

[TheNewDude]

Someone has yet to answer these questions..

You said I can achieve roughly the same results without the var..but what kind of results can I gain with proper diet, hard work ethic, and the var? Im trying to weigh the pros and cons and as of now youve only mentioned the cons.. ?????


I want to look at this and base my decision by looking at it from every angle. You said yourself that var is quite mild so what is the probability of me getting all of the side effects? And are all of them permanent???????

I dont think Im growing any more as I stopped getting taller in highschool though I am definitely continuing to fill out as in the last 2 years Ive put on about 10 pnds a year. Is there a side effect that may cause me to stop filling out?????

And what would be the major difference between the ages of 22 as opposed to 24????

And If Im already on a GNC test booster has that already shut down my natty test???? Ive read on many pages here once you introduce synthetic test to your body it stops producing it itself...

Thank you guys for your time I really appreciate it!

[TheNewDude]

Am I already effed from the test booster?

[marcus300]

The correct answer for somone with your stats and experience is not to cycle and to re-design your diet and build more of a natural base for the next 2 years, if you cant gain at your age now then I am convince your diet isnt right, drugs will do nothing for you without the right diet and a base to work from.

Forget mild AAS they will still surpress your HPTA and do you really want to risk that at your age? no one here is going to give you an answer because no one knows if it will cause you adverse side effects, its you who will be tossing the coin on that one, you sound like every other young kid who doesn't listen, you sound like your just waiting for the next 20yr old guy to come along and post "go ahead it will be fine ive done it many times with great results" why listen to someone who as been training and taking gear longer then you have been alive.

Guess i will leave your thread now so you can wait for what you want to hear

[TheNewDude]

Ive made my decision.. Im not going to be taking the anavar .. You are right Marcus Ive weighed the pros and cons.. I know Im going to reach my goal eventually... Getting there a bit faster just isnt worth the risk... Thank you for opening my eyes..

[shortybrolick]

Eat Jack Mack, highly anabolic :] :]

[TheNewDude]

SHould have posted in diet thread. sorry

[thisbmine]

Ive made my decision.. Im not going to be taking the anavar.. You are right Marcus Ive weighed the pros and cons.. I know Im going to reach my goal eventually... Getting there a bit faster just isnt worth the risk... Thank you for opening my eyes..

Congratulations. And well done marcus -testimony that your advice helped. *gives you some credit on your profile* Always refreshing to see someone being helped - and more so someone that appreciates the help (when it comes to "this is not for you") :P

[gbrice75]

Ive made my decision.. Im not going to be taking the anavar.. You are right Marcus Ive weighed the pros and cons.. I know Im going to reach my goal eventually... Getting there a bit faster just isnt worth the risk... Thank you for opening my eyes..

Good decision, Marcus knows what he's talking about so you should feel confident in your decision.

You're clearly a bright guy, that comes through in the way you write. So many younger guys only want us to confirm what they've already decided in their minds - i'm glad you are smart enough to actually listen, even though it's probably not what you wanted to hear.

Good luck with your training and diet - get over to the diet section and post up what you're eating - there are some great guys over there that will help you tweak that diet to make gains. At 6'2 180 you are pretty light, i'm SURE a proper diet will make all the difference for you bro!