feeling gyno of my test/tren cycle *help *

[Ryan121]

I am 4 weeks into my test/tren cycle.
I am gyno prone and have had it on my last test cycle.
I am feeling lumps under both nipples.
I have been using .5eod caber and .25ed of adex.

What should I do here?
1)bump ADEX to .5ed ?
2)Switch to aromasin ?
3)start Nolva?
4)start Letro ?

[Ryan121]

bump

[big_steve]

im also very gyno prone! I never run a cycle with out running nolva with it, no gyno issues ever when running nolva!

Get some nolva bro, 40/20/20/20 until your cycle is done and continue it through you pct adding clonid and hcg . GTG!!!

Im also on tren a/test 400/ EQ oh ya and NOLVA!!!!!!!

[getfit28]

I am 4 weeks into my test/tren cycle.
I am gyno prone and have had it on my last test cycle.
I am feeling lumps under both nipples.
I have been using .5eod caber and .25ed of adex.

What should I do here?
1)bump ADEX to .5ed ?
2)Switch to aromasin ?
3)start Nolva?
4)start Letro ?

If the bump is already there I would jump on letro...but not sure if that can be done while on tren but I don't see why not... \

[lostboy74]

im gyno prone too...was using adex at .25 eod and raised it too .5...did well at that dosage...i ran out of adex and gyno went through the roof while on test p tren a....1 mod said it was probably prolactin gyno....i ordered prami from lion and bam...no more gyno 5 days later....

[mad04007]

if its prolactin induced gyno from tren u DONT want nolva...it will worsen it. i had the exact same prob about a week ago bro. i couldnt really tell if it was prolactin or estro gyno (even tho they are related).

i bumped my caber up to everyday and started letro...1 week late no gyno, no lumps, no sensitive nips..nothing ..gone! i tapered the letro upping it .5mg a day untill 2.5..once u get to 2.5 stay there till gyno is gone..then taper back down.

[prodomino]

have you tryed Letrozole it will suppress your sex drive and This is good reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since the test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive loss.
you will want to start running the letro around 14 days before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if this is true becaus I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I would start it before your cycle as stated above. If you do decide to run letro there is no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro dont listen to these ****ing morons telling you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…

Not running any estrogen protection do this
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already running a mess.
You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg

You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had any problems!
with your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone :estrogen balance. you can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

[BUDGIE]

bump up the adex. i dont think running 2.5mg letro is a good idea throughout your cycle. sure it will shift your gyno,as prodomino says it shifted his gyno in a week,it also did that for me. id up the adex

[prodomino]

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. You can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

[Lean1038]

What frequency do you guys like for Letro on cycle? EOD?

I'm thinking M - W - F @ .625mg

[big_steve]

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. You can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

Oh your poor pecker! What worksd for you may not work for someone else and vise vs. Now wise guy, I have used nolva to reduce and in some cases reverse EXCITING GYNO with NOLVA while on a cycle, and a tren /test/eq cycle to be exact. So buddy dont make false claims and read my AVITAR.

[getfit28]

im gyno prone too...was using adex at .25 eod and raised it too .5...did well at that dosage...i ran out of adex and gyno went through the roof while on test p tren a....1 mod said it was probably prolactin gyno....i ordered prami from lion and bam...no more gyno 5 days later....

Lostboy, if you do not mind me asking at what does did run prami?

[prodomino]

Oh your poor pecker! What worksd for you may not work for someone else and vise vs. Now wise guy, I have used nolva to reduce and in some cases reverse EXCITING GYNO with NOLVA while on a cycle, and a tren /test/eq cycle to be exact. So buddy dont make false claims and read my AVITAR.

false claims your an idiot you dont know what the **** your talking about i see yoiu flame every person on here jesus.

[Hazard]

have you tryed Letrozole it will suppress your sex drive and This is good reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since the test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive loss.
you will want to start running the letro around 14 days before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if this is true becaus I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I would start it before your cycle as stated above. If you do decide to run letro there is no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro dont listen to these ****ing morons telling you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…

Not running any estrogen protection do this
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already running a mess.
You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg

You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had any problems!
with your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. you can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. You can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

false claims your an idiot you dont know what the **** your talking about i see yoiu flame every person on here jesus.

You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

#1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

#2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid . A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

#3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Just incase anyone is wondering..... this is where Prodomino got his information http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=gyno+reversal

Next time - give credit where it's due.

~Haz~

[prodomino]

thats not where i got the info from

[prodomino]

It was a post on another site i think posted the link http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...w-get-rid-gyno

[Hazard]

It was a post on another site i think posted the link http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...w-get-rid-gyno

LOL click on the link and who does it say it's written by?

C_Bino over at AR.....

~Haz~

[Noles12]

It was a post on another site i think posted the link http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...w-get-rid-gyno

Please read who and where that article was written.

It says written by C_Bino (member of this board) at AR(this board). Which means yes Hazard would assume you copied it from here because it IS from here. You just found it copied from here on another site.

[Hazard]

LOL either way..... you didn't write it.....

So instead of copying/pasting it and letting everyone believe you wrote it..... give credit to the guy who did..... simple.....

~Haz~

[magaton]

You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

#1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

#2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid . A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

#3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

~Haz~

Damn good info Haz. Thanks for sharing and setting the record straight. I know i have seen this info in many stickies. Can you please elaborate or suggest dosing of the Exemstane, Caber/Prami/Bromo while on 19nor. This info has escaped me. If not, please feel free to direct me to the right sticky, i don't mind reading.

[Hazard]

Damn good info Haz. Thanks for sharing and setting the record straight. I know i have seen this info in many stickies. Can you please elaborate or suggest dosing of the Exemstane, Caber/Prami/Bromo while on 19nor. This info has escaped me. If not, please feel free to direct me to the right sticky, i don't mind reading.

I took 12.5mg's Exemestane ED when Gyno appeared.....

I'm not sure there is a sticky on the letro/adex and caber info - It was something I had asked about and was told by swifto to use exemestane instead.

~Haz~

[bjohnson1968]

where did this prodomino guy come from....its not like the people who actually research this site wouldnt know thats c-binos thread LOL

[magaton]

Thanks Haz!

[Swifto]

You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

#1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

#2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid . A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

#3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

~Haz~

I think you mean Tamoxifen there boss... Not Caber.

[snowboarder77]

I am 4 weeks into my test/tren cycle.
I am gyno prone and have had it on my last test cycle.
I am feeling lumps under both nipples.
I have been using .5eod caber and .25ed of adex.

What should I do here?
1)bump ADEX to .5ed ?
2)Switch to aromasin ?
3)start Nolva?
4)start Letro ?

Stop taking it and send to me now!!

[Morgoth]

I've heard that Nolva doesn't work on gyno caused by Tren . So what to do when that happens? (gyno caued by Tren that is)

[Hazard]

I think you mean Tamoxifen there boss... Not Caber.

Swifto to the rescue

My msitake lol

~Haz~

[J-Dogg]

You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

#1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

#2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid . A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

#3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

~Haz~

Christ thank you for posting that.

My jaw about dropped seeing who we have out there giving people advice on things.

[bigdog494]

can u just get the limpnodes removed if ur highly proned to gyno so you wont get it anymore