clen+winny

[MMike]

Hello guys

I have already started a cutting-summer cycle...My current stats are:192cm,93kg,15%bf.My goal is to loose as much fat as possible...10% is ideal...I have never used aas and right now i m in clen cycle 2w on/2w off...
I have plan,after a lot of research and reading from this site(excellent work guys btw) for a bulking cycle after summer...

Right now can i use some winny on 2w off from clen period to make my muscles look harder...?I dont want to take the full effect of winny just make muscles look a bit harder...How many shots required for that...and what about my natural test...Will natural test shuts down even with this small amount of winnie?Last question is if i ll need a pct after this very very small cycle on winnie...


Keep in mind that right now Test prop isnt an option....

[Matt]

How old are you??

Before starting any cycle i suggest you spend sometime reading through the educational threads at the top of this forum, start with the beginner threads..

[EternalStud]

How old are you??

Before starting any cycle i suggest you spend sometime reading through the educational threads at the top of this forum, start with the beginner threads..

x2. If your goal is to just loose bodyfat in general then just keep running the clen as you are. Though I dont recommend the 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off thing, you can use an antihistamine like Benadryl or Ketotifen every 3rd week for that entire week so you can run clen for 10 weeks because it up regulates the beta receptors required for optimization of clen, but be careful and dont use it too long.

Here's some more complete info about clen that you should take a look at

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=23808


IF NOT,

just do what 007 suggested and do some more research on what's going into your body.

[MMike]

Thanks for the reply

My Age is 27 years old and believe me...i ve done a lot of research on this site...Thus i couldnt find an answear on my question...Winnie shuts down natural test...How many days required for that if u pinned 50mg/eod...and second how many shots(50mg/eod) required for winnie to make some results...EternalStud i dont wanna take winny for fatloss...I wanna take it for make my muscles a bit more harder and improve my total look...

Thanks for the help...i ll appreciate ur time here...

[MMike]

The reason that i dont wanna take an antihistamine with clen is that i m feeling that i dont have enough energy at the gym+i dont like hands shakes...and yes i take taurine also :P
Diet+cardio on check...

[EternalStud]

The reason that i dont wanna take an antihistamine with clen is that i m feeling that i dont have enough energy at the gym+i dont like hands shakes...and yes i take taurine also :P
Diet+cardio on check...

As for your use with winny, if your bodyfat is 15% winny wont do jack sh*t until it's under 10% man. Ton of research? If you did, u'd know that. So my advice is get under 10% with clen, diet, cardio....THEN consider winny to give you that hardened look.

As for an antihistamine with clen, it wont make you drowsy if you take it before bed. And that usually only happens with Ketotifen when taken during the day , so id advice you to take benadryl before bed. This would also help you fall asleep and avoid some of clens "speediness" and alertness because its a CNS stimulant . Once again, if you did "tons" of research like you said, ud know this....

Obviously you didnt search hard enough because here's multiple threads asking your questions exactly.


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15564
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=72997
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=49814

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=5115056
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for that one read the 6th post down

[MMike]

ok thanks for answear bro...As for the antihistamine i m telling you that i m not afraid that it will make me drowsy...am telling you that i cant tolerate the sides of clen very well...so i ll stick with the classical cycle...As for the winnie i know that i must have 10% of bodyfat to give that hardened look but i m still wondering what if....my bf is 13% or something,it makes improvement to me with no cost...thats all

[MMike]

thanks for the posts man..very usefull indeed.i m searching this forum for over 2 months now but as u know tons of information here..specially for a noob to aas like me...

Thanks again

[EternalStud]

ok thanks for answear bro...As for the antihistamine i m telling you that i m not afraid that it will make me drowsy...am telling you that i cant tolerate the sides of clen very well...so i ll stick with the classical cycle...As for the winnie i know that i must have 10% of bodyfat to give that hardened look but i m still wondering what if....my bf is 13% or something,it makes improvement to me with no cost...thats all

You just said in post #5

"The reason that i dont wanna take an antihistamine with clen is that i m feeling that i dont have enough energy at the gym+i dont like hands shakes...and yes i take taurine also :P
Diet+cardio on check..."

And I just said an antihistamine like Benadryl with help alleviate the sides of clen with not being able to fall asleep. Its probably why your tired in the first place, and it wont interfere with training so long as you take it at night, how tough is that to understand? Not taking it when you have tons of side effects is just stupid. BTW if u cant handle it, DON'T TAKE IT!

For winny, bro, NOOOO winny will not work unless under 10% BF so how is going from 15% to 13% like your hypothesizing making you think it might work? If it aint 10% or below it aint gunna show. PERIOD.

As for your research abilities and AAS use: I DONT THINK YOU SHOULD USE AAS AT ALL. Why? Because I highly doubt you can use AAS correctly when you can't even use the search botton correctly or google. I typed in exactly what your question was on google and this forum came up with 3 different topics, all of which are the same question, identical to yours - I cant imagine how much i could find typing it in on the forums search button. Also, it would make me doubt you have your diet and training on track if you come up blank on a simple task that requires minimal common sense. You called yourself a "noob" and said "i cant handle the sides of clen well." Of course you can't, according to you, you're a noob. How the hell would a noob use AAS correctly and why would we give you the "okay"? It's why they're a noob, they havent dont the research that makes them responsible enough to use. And we all know if your diet and training arent in check, AAS do nothing, further backing up why i dont think you should touch AAS.

I dont mean to be an a$$, and i apologize its been a long day, but damn bro......


Now, as I said before, use the clen (preferably with Benadryl to aid sides) and work your way down to 10% BF or less and THEN consider winny to harden your up and enhance your look. Until then, dont shut your HTPA down for nothing, since it will yield little results at that BF and because you'll want a fresh and tip top HTPA when you start your bulking cycle after summer.

E.S.

[MMike]

Goodmorning Mate...

Hehe indeed u had a bad day yesterday i guess...

Lets get to the point now...First of all...benadryl wont aid sides as u said...it will upperregulate beta2 receptors and make more sides...As for most people do i ll stick with 2w on/2w off protocol

Second Noob=new...I said so coz i m not noob to research ofc i m noob to aas...I came here to ask because i have already read a lot of opinions about winnie and HTPA like this:

-Clinical studies giving 10 mg per day to healthy malE subjects for 14 days caused the mean plasma testosteronE level to fall by 55%- from William Llewellyn s book:anabolics

so i made a straight question to learn from the pros...thats all

Finnally plz dont doupt about my diet and training programm:i m not a competition bodybuilder ofc but i studied medicine for 6 years and that make me look things in a different way...

Thanks for ur time and ur input again...All regards

Cheers