first cycle need help!!

[gongshow]

stats:
6'3
192
Age 22
bf 10%

ok so this is what i was thinking of

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Weeks 13-14: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 15-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

i am an elite hockey player, i want to maximize strength, weight and speed(thats what i got the winny for) would taking the winny for longer be more benificial? please let me know your thoughts on this cycle my goal weight is 210 or 215 i work out hard 4 days a week with lots of cardio and my nutrition and diet is good(ive been working with a nutritionist on it)

thanks

[N2Deep]

Winny is to hard on the liver to run it any longer than you are.

[N2Deep]

On your PCT you need to add clomid and I would only run the nolva for 20 mg for week 13 then 10 mg for 14-16.

[Matt]

Please take the time to read this link before you start your cycle..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

[gongshow]

will i get the affects that i am looking for from the winny? regarding speed and twitch muscles

[gongshow]

ok read that thread im ready to start, i have also spoken to my doc about it several times

[Matt]

ok read that thread im ready to start, i have also spoken to my doc about it several times

And your doctor advised you that now was a good time to begin aas??

[gongshow]

she didnt say it was a good idea she just said that my natty test would recover completly if i did a 3 month cycle

[Matt]

she didnt say it was a good idea she just said that my natty test would recover completly if i did a 3 month cycle

Rubbish..

Besides that you've put on 2lbs since you gave your stats yesterday, why use aas? Just continue what your doing and you'll reach your goals before the end of next week..

[gongshow]

ok thanks for the help 007

any other advice

[gongshow]

bump. i want to find out if my cycle looks good to help me gain weight and speed?

[gongshow]

bump

[gongshow]

bump.

[Tyler694]

Drop the winny. Your joints will be hurting to run any faster..

PCT looks pretty weak to me. Like said, up the Nolva and add Clomid..

[gongshow]

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Weeks 13: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 14-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

how would i add the clomid, does any one have expirence with the winny and is there any other alternatives to it ??

[gongshow]

bump

[gbrice75]

Bro, you're gonna keep bumping until you get the answer you want, right? Ok, here you go:

You're cycle looks perfect bro, you're gonna get huge and cut. You'll experience no sides, your PCT looks perfect. You're the perfect age to start AAS because clearly you've finished growing naturally.

There you go, you have everything you need to start now.

On a serious note - I am not meaning to be a dick to you, but it gets annoying after somebody knowledgeable like 007 gives you advice and you keep bumping looking for something else...sometimes you're gonna hear something that differs from what you're hoping to hear.

[nyspqr]

Just drop the whinny man, for your first cycle I would recommend test only. Good luck.

[gongshow]

ok here it is i am going to do AAS ive looked into what 007 has told me. aswell i like the cycle that i am thinking of just wanted some advice on pct and how to throw clomid in there?? is that true about winny will it make my joints hurt or just one guys opinion, i dont need medical advice ive spoken with my doctor about it already and never did i say that my cycles perfect nor that ill experience o sides and i know my pct is not perfect.
I not searching for the anwser i just want helpful tips so if any one has any please help me out.

and im not your bro.

[gongshow]

ok thanks nyspqr

[russiandave]

ok here it is i am going to do AAS ive looked into what 007 has told me. aswell i like the cycle that i am thinking of just wanted some advice on pct and how to throw clomid in there?? is that true about winny will it make my joints hurt or just one guys opinion, i dont need medical advice ive spoken with my doctor about it already and never did i say that my cycles perfect nor that ill experience o sides and i know my pct is not perfect.
I not searching for the anwser i just want helpful tips so if any one has any please help me out.

and im not your bro.

No need to be a dick. You came here asking for help and then have an attitude? Lame

look u are too young for aas. At 22 I was a monster all natural. Spend quality time at the gym and eat a lot. At your age you should see results just by doing that. If not then aas is t gonna help you.

And stop w the doctor nonsense. No way your doctor spoke with you a few times and advised you that at your age it is fine.

Also if u want to know about a certain steroid this site literally has a thread describing each and every one. Do some legwork . No one wants to spoonfeed some unappredlciative dick who doesn't listen to vets advice.

Good luck BRO

[gbrice75]

and im not your bro.

LoL ok, good luck finding what you're looking for!

[gbrice75]

No need to be a dick. You came here asking for help and then have an attitude? Lame

look u are too young for aas. At 22 I was a monster all natural. Spend quality time at the gym and eat a lot. At your age you should see results just by doing that. If not then aas is t gonna help you.

And stop w the doctor nonsense. No way your doctor spoke with you a few times and advised you that at your age it is fine.

Also if u want to know about a certain steroid this site literally has a thread describing each and every one. Do some legwork . No one wants to spoonfeed some unappredlciative dick who doesn't listen to vets advice.

Good luck BRO

Trying to think if there is anything I can add here.... ummm, NOPE! GJ Russian, I think you covered it all!

[gongshow]

i respect everyones advice.

you would know if i spoke to my doctor right???
where did you graduate with your medical degree??

[N2Deep]

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where did you graduate with your medical degree??[/QUOTE]

Thought you knew everyone can get a medical degree through the internet, hell I just printed mine.

[gongshow]

congrats N2Deep lol since you are a doc now and all could you tell me how i need to add clomid in

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Weeks 13: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 14-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

i changed the Nolva like you told me to just dont know where to add the chlomid?

thanks doc

[N2Deep]

week 13 @ 100mg ed
week14-16 @ 50 mg ed

[gongshow]

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Week 13: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
week 13: Clomid @ 100mg ED
Weeks 14-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg ED
weeks 14-16: Clomid @ 50mg ED

does that look about right?

[N2Deep]

Looks good, just drop the winny. The joint pain is not worth it at your age, you will regret the winny.

[gongshow]

ok i will do that. The reason i had winny in there was for the speed. i have to increase it for hockey i have been doing it by hurtels, ladder etc. My reasoning to this is because that is what ben johnson took (canadian sprinter). is there anything else that you would suggest to help me with my speed or will the test prop do that too?

[N2Deep]

Keep your training up and you will add plenty of muscle to add speed. See how the prop works first. You can always take the winny later.

[gongshow]

ok thanks for the help i look forward to starting this cycle

[tim399]

stats:
6'3
192
Age 22
bf 10%

ok so this is what i was thinking of

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop @ 130mg EOD
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ED (space the tabs out evenly throughout the day)

Weeks 13-14: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
Weeks 15-16: Nolvadex @ 10mg a day

i am an elite hockey player, i want to maximize strength, weight and speed(thats what i got the winny for) would taking the winny for longer be more benificial? please let me know your thoughts on this cycle my goal weight is 210 or 215 i work out hard 4 days a week with lots of cardio and my nutrition and diet is good(ive been working with a nutritionist on it)

thanks

#1 becareful of the cardio. definitely dont do it right before or after your strength training or it will just suck any gains dry
#2 you're definitely going to need more anti estrogens for pct.. try adding in an 100mg of clomid 13-14 then 50mg 15-16
#3 are you a ****in idiot? i see no hcg? i dont understand.. am i missing someting? you know that after this cycle if you dont run an hcg you will never make testosterone again..? which means no more boners, or cumming, sex drive, or muscle builiding w/o seeing a doctor once a month for testosterone therapy
#4 i think i need to restate #3 to let it sink in... are you a ****in idiot? i see no hcg? i dont understand.. am i missing someting? you know that after this cycle if you dont run an hcg you will never make testosterone again..? which means no more boners, or cumming, sex drive, or muscle builiding w/o seeing a doctor once a month for testosterone therapy
#5 12 weeks is a long time for propionate.. why not cypionate/enanthate?
#6 you should take some kind of milk thistle for liver toxicity.. that winny will do your liver in

good luck dude.. it looks like you havent really dont much hw and you just talked to a buddy of yours.. i honestly do hope that you realize the importance of doing research and doing things the right way.. 12 weeks WILL shut down your nuts... COMPLETELy .. 100%

[gongshow]

ok i will look further into hcg. i choose to do the test prop because of the detection time as i may be subject to testing for hockey(guidlines from the world anti doping assocation) should i drop my cycle to 10 or even 8 weeks?

[Tyler694]

I ran prop my first cycle and it wasn't that bad. I have also ran prop for long cycles.

Prop will be fine. I wouldn't run it any less than 8 weeks, hell, I would run it for at LEAST 10 weeks..

[gongshow]

ya i was thinking 12 weeks