Do i need ptc after deca only? cuz i think my test is fake :/

[Beno]

Hey guys im on my 1st cycle 11th week ( deca 350mg and test e 500mg weekly ), but i really think i had fake test be cuz only 4 vials i mean the juice in side, out of the rest which i bought had a yellowish tint to it and the rest totally clear and more watery consistence. No side effects, acne, hair loss, a bit oily skin on a face but that's it and all i gained is 6.5 kilos. i'm checking my weight in the morning after a cup of coffee and shits, without any food. So all i gained is 6.5 kilos . my balls are much smaller than before the cycle but still able to destroy the *****. well tell me what do you think, do i need a PTC? or simple tribulus will do, got loads of it. Thanx.

[Noles12]

This is why we recommend running one compound for a first cycle. You cant pinpoint which one is causing the gains, sides, etc because you dont know how you react to them individually. How do you know either is fake or that your deca isnt the one thats fake?

And yes you do need a PCT because you are obviously shutdown if you are having testicular atrophy

[Beno]

[QUOTE=Noles12;5193122] How do you know either is fake or that your deca isnt the one thats fake?



ThanX for reply.I think be cuz i would have much bigger gains on test e than on deca it self, and the deca i had was from portugal 1ml/250mg. I wen on the website and checked the serial/batch number, it was legite. and the test e vials it self are different in size and shape a bit and amount of juice, and only four out of all vials contained thick, yellowish oil with actuall 1ml, so thats why i think testo was fake. So if im shut down that means that not enough testo, is been like that since i started my cycle, besides the time i did the 4 good ones. . what do you think.

[Noles12]

[QUOTE=Beno;5193145]

How do you know either is fake or that your deca isnt the one thats fake?



ThanX for reply.I think be cuz i would have much bigger gains on test e than on deca it self, and the deca i had was from flor medico labs portugal 1ml/250mg. I wen on the website and checked the serial/batch number, it was legite. and the test e vials it self are different in size and shape a bit and amount of juice, and only four out of all vials contained thick, yellowish oil with actuall 1ml, so thats why i think testo was fake. So if im shut down that means that not enough testo, is been like that since i started my cycle, besides the time i did the 4 good ones. . what do you think.

Edit out the lab names its against the rules

[Beno]

and also if im shot down is be cuz of deca, thats what it dos to the testosteron production, shot down, thats also why i think the deca is good.

[Noles12]

running synthetic test shuts you down also. But it is replacing what you are losing. Your testes shrink due to them not having to work to produce the test. So once again this doesnt prove your deca is good and the test is bad.

Without having both physically tested you probably wont know because you have never run test by itself and experienced the gains, sides, etc. If you knew how you reacted then ran it with deca you would be able to rule out one or the other.

Now please edit the lab names out of your previous post

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I would get bloodwork done to see what your testosterone levels are. If they are extremely low, then you are right that the test is fake. If they are very high, then it was real

[Matt]

How does your diet look???

[AlphaMaleDawg]

and another thing to add:

regardless of whether the test was real or not, your pct would be exactly the same anyways.

nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

[gixxerboy1]

either way the simple answer is you need to run pct

[Beno]

How does your diet look???

I'm consuming about 3500 calories a day, around 130 grams of protein, mostly meat, also some rice and dark bread, loads of carbs from the shakes. Hmb+ creatine, omega 3 and centrum vitamins. I do party on the weekends a bit but during the week im back in routine. Working out 3 to 5 times a week depends on my work schedule. After the work out im frickin huge than the muscle pumps go down, still looking good thou. ThanX for the reply.

[nilrac]

Protein is way too low.

Unless you weigh 130Lbs or less, I should add. Which (1gram for 1Lb of BW) would still be low for somebody using AAS.
In which case you shouldn't be on steroids unless you are a power midget.

[Beno]

and another thing to add:

regardless of whether the test was real or not, your pct would be exactly the same anyways.

nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

Crazy story cuz my sup. have no fricken ptc gear no more, i had no enough funds to stuck up all the gear, and now he dont have it. So to day i wen to a doctor and told him the story, that im a pacient and i really need the Nolvadex or Clomid and he said i have to show him my gear, my balls heheheeh, and website where he can study a bit the thing, before he give me a prescription. So what im asking for is a website explaining both of the products. I used www.silownia.net it has a loads of legit info, on all and mostly i found it separate so thats why i stuck to that site, but they have decryption of clomid only and many say same as you to do both whan it comes to ptc, period, so it be very convenient to give him one place where he can look up the info on both products. I just need that stuff so wanna make it easy for him. I will appreciate if you or someone else knows a site like that. Thanx man.

[nilrac]

[Beno]

Protein is way too low.

Unless you weigh 130Lbs or less, I should add. Which (1gram for 1Lb of BW) would still be low for somebody using AAS.
In which case you shouldn't be on steroids unless you are a power midget.

witch means??? I dont eat enough, come on man, forums are not to bust somebody's balls just to talk the shit trough, is not like everyone is mister fu**en know it all.

[nilrac]

I apologise if you misunderstand. I wasn't calling you a power midget. I was simply saying that 135g of protein per day is NOT alot at all. You are complaining of "only" gaining 6.5kg.

First of all, 6.5kg of weight is actually a good amount of mass, secondly, a daily protein intake of 135g is not going to yield any great results unless you weigh 135Lbs or less.

How much do you weigh?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

AAS greatly increases protein synthesis. You should double your daily protein amount

[ottomaddox]

He edited his post and when you quoted him you didn't edit your post to not include the lab names, c'mon get with the program..............


[QUOTE=Noles12;5193148]

Edit out the lab names its against the rules

[quote=Beno;5193145]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noles12

How do you know either is fake or that your deca isnt the one thats fake?



ThanX for reply.I think be cuz i would have much bigger gains on test e than on deca it self, and the deca i had was from portugal 1ml/250mg. I wen on the website and checked the serial/batch number, it was legite. and the test e vials it self are different in size and shape a bit and amount of juice, and only four out of all vials contained thick, yellowish oil with actuall 1ml, so thats why i think testo was fake. So if im shut down that means that not enough testo, is been like that since i started my cycle, besides the time i did the 4 good ones. . what do you think.

[terraj]

If you have got 6.5 kilos from this cycle you have done well for the amount of knowledge you have.

You pretty much have wasted your first cycle by not been educated before you started.

[ghettoboyd]

If you have got 6.5 kilos from this cycle you have done well for the amount of knowledge you have.

You pretty much have wasted your first cycle by not been educated before you started.

aww come on man dont you now its shoot first ask questions later for the newbes....all the cool kids are doin it....

[Beno]

I apologise if you misunderstand. I wasn't calling you a power midget. I was simply saying that 135g of protein per day is NOT alot at all. You are complaining of "only" gaining 6.5kg.

First of all, 6.5kg of weight is actually a good amount of mass, secondly, a daily protein intake of 135g is not going to yield any great results unless you weigh 135Lbs or less.

How much do you weigh?

No problem man. Im 181 lbs my hight is 5.7 .

[Beno]

aww come on man dont you now its shoot first ask questions later for the newbes....all the cool kids are doin it....

I may be a newbe baut i aint no kid im 29y/o dood.

[Beno]

ThanX all for reply, i will definitely double my protein.

[gixxerboy1]

Crazy story cuz my sup. have no fricken ptc gear no more, i had no enough funds to stuck up all the gear, and now he dont have it. So to day i wen to a doctor and told him the story, that im a pacient and i really need the Nolvadex or Clomid and he said i have to show him my gear, my balls heheheeh, and website where he can study a bit the thing, before he give me a prescription. So what im asking for is a website explaining both of the products. I used www.silownia.net it has a loads of legit info, on all and mostly i found it separate so thats why i stuck to that site, but they have decryption of clomid only and many say same as you to do both whan it comes to ptc, period, so it be very convenient to give him one place where he can look up the info on both products. I just need that stuff so wanna make it easy for him. I will appreciate if you or someone else knows a site like that. Thanx man.

you can get what you need for pct at the banner on top for ar-r

[Beno]

ThanX.

[Beno]

you can get what you need for pct at the banner on top for ar-r

I just looked at the web but i know is not going to be good for my doctor. I need something like www.silownia.net, very professional, with the history and all the info need it for the job hehehe, but like i said there is only info on clomid :/ and i need on both. Thanx.

[Beno]

If you have got 6.5 kilos from this cycle you have done well for the amount of knowledge you have.

You pretty much have wasted your first cycle by not been educated before you started.

shitt, i do admit that i did in a way. thanX man