Dbol later in the game?

[kenny1022]

Doing a sustanton and dbol stack for the first time. Is it ok to start the dbol in week 3 instead of in the beginning? I know a lot of people use dbol as a kick start but I'd like to see how the body handles the sustanon first before throwing the dbol in the mix. I could also just drop the dbol entirely...

Thanks for all the help.

Ken

Week 1 - 10: Sustanon 250mg twice a week
Week 3 - 8: Dbol 40mg everyday

[Matt]

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[Swifto]

Thats fine.

I recently pulsed (4 weeks on, 2 off) Dbol on and off over 4 months of Test Prop.

[hit me]

your better off kick starting with dbol and enading with something like winny/masteron or anavar .

[kenny1022]

Stats

Age
Height
Bf%
Weight
Years training
Cycle history
Planned pct????

31 years
5' 7"
14% body fat
155 lbs
5 years training hard
First Cycle - Sustanon & Dbol - 10 weeks
PCT: 3 weeks after last pin - Nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks total) and Clomid if you think necessary.

[cypionate19]

31 years
5' 7"
14% body fat
155 lbs
5 years training hard
First Cycle - Sustanon & Dbol - 10 weeks
PCT: 3 weeks after last pin - Nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks total) and Clomid if you think necessary.

im in no way shape or form speaking for 007 but after seeing about 100 of his other posts i think he might say something like this....

fix your diet.. 5'7" 155lb at 14%bf is not a person ready for a steroid cycle... and especially for 5 years of hard training, something's not right...

[hit me]

im in no way shape or form speaking for 007 but after seeing about 100 of his other posts i think he might say something like this....

fix your diet.. 5'7" 155lb at 14%bf is not a person ready for a steroid cycle... and especially for 5 years of hard training, something's not right...

yes thats a fair post,@ 5,7 155lbs and 14% body fat you could add some extra lbs natty with the right diet but its upto you if you want to cycle or not.

[Matt]

im in no way shape or form speaking for 007 but after seeing about 100 of his other posts i think he might say something like this....

fix your diet.. 5'7" 155lb at 14%bf is not a person ready for a steroid cycle... and especially for 5 years of hard training, something's not right...

100% correct bro...

If the op cant eat right then aas are pointless...

[kenny1022]

Fair response.

My diet has been revamped for the last 3 weeks. More focus on protein, 5 - 6 meals, cutting out the fats.

Basically, my breakdown is 15 total calories per body weight - 1 gram of protein per body weight, 1/2 gram of fat per body weight and the remainder in carb. So, 2325 calories a day (620 cals protein, 697.5 cals fat, 1007.5 cals carb).

It's been working as my body fat is moving in the right direction.

Oh and I'm doing a 12-week program religiously which I'm seeing great gains on. Def worth checking out (Source: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/12-w...ng-trainer.htm).

Thanks, guys.

Ken

[kenny1022]

My revised plan:

Week 1 - 10: Sustanon 250mg twice a week
Week 7 - 10: Dbol 40mg everyday

PCT
Week 14 - 15: Nolva 40 mg ED
Week 16 - 17: Nolva 20 mg ED
Week 14: Clomid 100 mg ED
Week 15 - 17: Clomid 50 mg ED

Thanks for the help, guys!

[hit me]

My revised plan:

Week 1 - 10: Sustanon 250mg twice a week
Week 7 - 10: Dbol 40mg everyday

PCT
Week 14 - 15: Nolva 40 mg ED
Week 16 - 17: Nolva 20 mg ED
Week 14: Clomid 100 mg ED
Week 15 - 17: Clomid 50 mg ED

Thanks for the help, guys!

thats no good imo ,here

weeks 1-10 500mgs sust per week

weeks 10-13 40mgs dbol every day

day or two after last dbol tab start pct.

[kenny1022]

Thanks, I liked your suggestion, as well. Basically, to use the dbol to help retain my gains when coming off the sust but others are saying it's probably better not introduce a new steroid right after coming off another? Have you tried this cycle?

Ken

[Vitruvian-Man]

Thanks, I liked your suggestion, as well. Basically, to use the dbol to help retain my gains when coming off the sust but others are saying it's probably better not introduce a new steroid right after coming off another? Have you tried this cycle?

Ken

well it's a pretty standard cycle buddy... you don't really need to complicate things. You're using test + an oral. Simple.

With orals you can either kick-start with it; pulse throughout cycle; or backload.

Only thing to consider is that at the end of your cycle by introducing d-bol it could spike your estrogen levels.. which could potentially cause gyno. it's not a huge concern though.. just have arimidex on hand, just in case it pans out this way..

D-bol isn't going to make you 'retain' gains though. You're going to blow up w/ water retention, and then once you start your PCT you're going to deflate.

IMO, either just use it for the first 3 weeks... or just use it in the middle of the cycle somewhere.

Hope that helps,

-VM

[hit me]

if adding the dbol at the end you may want to think about useing adex on your ccyle to keep down bloat ,this will give a real sence of what real muscle your gaining and it will keep of any gyno too.