What to use when Tren is not an option?

[J-Dogg]

I've got a respectable amount of experience under my belt with AS but have never been able to use Tren for a very long time because of Progesterone related sides.

I'm just really sensitive to them and don't want to risk depending camber to control them. I've worked too hard to end up with tits.

I generally run Prop with about everything I do. I ran Tren for 3 weeks before eliminating it from my stack do to the progesterone related sides. In those 3 weeks the things the tren did were short of breath taking (i'm not talking about fina/cough either).

I'm disappointed I have to eliminate it, but need to play it safe.

I've used Mast in the past with pretty good results, but would love to hear some compounds that are not "nor 19" compounds. I understand there is not going to be a replacement for tren, but something as close as possible.

thanks for any tips or advice bros

[Bigmax]

Bro anyone can tell you what worked for them but until you try and see how you respond you will know whats best for you....if you did well on prop and mast try it again ...also what are goals for the cycle??..that has alot to do with the compounds you are going to use..

[Bossman]

Im in the same boat when it comes to 19 nors. I do better with NPP then I do with tren, but I have to keep the dose low (50-75mgs ED max). Im actually using NPP with test Prop and Masteron on my current cutting cycle. I started with tren but just couldn't take the sides at 50mgs ED.

Like Bigmax said, you will have to see what works for you. I've been getting by with some NPP and also injectable Dbol/Adrol for bulking with my test. So far, so good.

[Vitruvian-Man]

IMO there are only two compounds that can mimic the hardening/cutting abilities of tren...

- a high dose of anavar (80-100mg/ed)

- masteron @ 100mg/ed

^^ I'm similar to you, and tren effects me pretty badly. not due to progesterone sides; but rather just its side-effects in general (can't cope w/ the insomnia, constant sweating, etc.) It's not worth it to me. (that's not even mentioning the temper-mental issues..)

As a result of my experimentation I've found either a high dose of var, or a relatively high dose of DHT-derivatives will generally allow for similar results.

Hope that helps bro,

-VM

[J-Dogg]

Bro anyone can tell you what worked for them but until you try and see how you respond you will know whats best for you....if you did well on prop and mast try it again ...also what are goals for the cycle??..that has alot to do with the compounds you are going to use..

I like this approach, and it's often the advice I like to give to people too.

We all have our own individual favorite compounds. And we all respond different to them. I generally try new AS and start with a very low dosage, and work my dosage up from there.

The goal with the tren was leaner/harder and stronger. It certainly did that, better than the mast did for me.

Might be adding that mast back in it looks like though.

Thanks everyone for the advice, always love to get some solid advice and converse with experienced users.

[powerliftmike]

Im in the same boat when it comes to 19 nors. I do better with NPP then I do with tren, but I have to keep the dose low (50-75mgs ED max). Im actually using NPP with test Prop and Masteron on my current cutting cycle. I started with tren but just couldn't take the sides at 50mgs ED.

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^^ I'm similar to you, and tren effects me pretty badly. not due to progesterone sides; but rather just its side-effects in general (can't cope w/ the insomnia, constant sweating, etc.) It's not worth it to me. (that's not even mentioning the temper-mental issues..)

Me three.

I also have trouble with tren. No problems at all with NPP and deca tho. But the tren sweating, bad tren cough (really bad at injections), hurts my joints some, little appetite suppression, etc sucks. And that tren cough is the really deal-closer for me. I have underlying asthma,so its bad. Strength is sick tho, thinking bout trying some tren e maybe weekly shot to see if that takes care of the tren cough problems in the future (Ive only run tren acetate so far). Clenbuterol helps, albuterol liquid dose NOT. Its a waste, doesnt even burn fat. haha

Like Vitruvian-Man was saying..well I love Masteron!! One of the best. But var for me is shit. To each their own..

[powerliftmike]

Dont get upset if an AAS doesnt agree with you. Pretty much everyone has something that doesnt work for them. I have a few actually. Hell thats why we have test e and cyp in the medical community even, some people are allergic to the oil in test e or cyp, so the doctor can switch them out to the other

[J-Dogg]

Thank for that Mike, and I love the mast too, so am just going to to that route.

The fact that it has the ability to inhibit aromatization makes it a perfect compound to use with a higher dose of test.

So gonna start running 700mgs Mast P with just under a gram of prop a week. I'd actually like to use a little less test and actually about 200mgs of mast/day but it's just more cost effective this way.