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    Experienced Beginner, help!

    I just need a little bit of help and direction with this. I don't mind criticism, feel free to correct me.

    6'4 200lbs, 14lb gain in 4 weeks, goal is 215lbs

    250 T/E 1ml every 5 days
    25mg x 2 daily Tbol
    25mg x 2 daily Anavar

    I have modest goals and do not aspire to look pharmaceutically enhanced. I have a fast metabolism and trouble gaining weight. My doctor approves of the steroid use and choice/dosage of same. Could someone also tell me why some choose Dbol over Tbol? I can't understand why water weight would be better in any cycle?
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    age?
    Training experience?

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    32, sprodic training for the last 5yrs, two acl recons. High level athlete and well in tune with my body and it's capabilities. Always been lean and fit.

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    Well if its your first cycle 1 compound is always best so you know how you react to each one so:

    Test E 500mg/wk 10-12 wks

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    At first I mistook the pump as being var when it was test. I'm still torn on the tbol, I question if I need it at all. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosscoe13 View Post
    At first I mistook the pump as being var when it was test. I'm still torn on the tbol, I question if I need it at all. Any thoughts?
    you could add it the last 4-6weeks of the cycle to help solidify your gains. Var gives me a great pump at over 50mg/ed but if you want a great pump get some Nitric oxide.

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    Not sure I'm ready for the Nit.Ox quite yet although I hear it's quite something. I'll stick to the var, am I wrong to say that the var seems like something I might take forever?

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    Not ready for an over the counter NO booster, but will use oral anabolic steroids instead?
    Got Jack3d???????

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    I've long overcome the idea of pharmaceutical drugs not being used to their fullest. Why delay the inevitable afterall? So far so good, and yes, jacked quickly but solid as rock, no water at all.

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    Google: Jack3d. It's a pre-workout booster that many use to increase focus, endurance and energy, pump, etc........

    Sounds like someone looking for a crutch to lean on rather than getting down to the root of the problem. What is your proposed PCT?

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    I've long overcome the idea of pharmaceutical drugs not being used to their fullest.
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    I use var, why bother?

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    Snap. Wow you got me with that one, I don't even know how to immaturely answer that? I love your "Fast Metabolism," too, its pathetic, get your diet in check first.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rosscoe13 View Post
    I use var, why bother?
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    I'm asking sincerely, I only want to learn, if you wouldn't mind explaining further? Products are a million and then some, in your words maybe?

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    Explaining what? PCT knowledge???

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    Why var isn't something you appear to condone vs. this Jacked you speak of. That's all.

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    Obviously you don't know what you are doing. I think the reasons you are using Var are misguided, at best, what's your current body fat % and how long do you expect to keep using Steroids ?, at the rate your going???????? Are you ever going to answer my question about PCT?, or are you on TRT?

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    Body fat at 18%, I want 15 more pounds with room to lose five lbs post cycle. I've been on cycle for 4wks and have gained 14lbs. I'm currently 200lbs. Once I observe the maintenance period, I'll then determine what the next appropriate cycle will be.

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    I use var for the vascularity and reduction of bloating and water retention. The pct is up to my FT based on results and necessity.

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    That's DIET. Experienced Newbie??? Var above 6% to 10% body fat is not how you use this drug correctly either. You need to stop what you are doing and re-figure out a game plan before using drugs as a way to achieve short term goals. 6'4" tall at 186 pre-cycle, have you ever worked out before this cycle? at least 18% body fat? Are you a TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Nothing adds up?????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosscoe13 View Post
    32, sprodic training for the last 5yrs, two acl recons. High level athlete and well in tune with my body and it's capabilities. Always been lean and fit......

    [QUOTE=Rosscoe13;5200267]I use var for the vascularity and reduction of bloating and water retention. The pct is up to my FT based on results and necessity Huh?????????????????[/QUOTE]
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    Ok, thank you.

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    Thank you for making my insomnia go away, goodnight.

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    I was a national level V-Ball player and competitive swimmer until my early twenties. I wasn't able to focus on mass until recently. Two Acl tears and recons made it hard to maintain goals and as a result my weight fluctuated as a result of immobility post injury and again post surgery.

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    How about we reset this whole thread.

    Hokay, so. What seems to be le problem?

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