chick starting out.. advice please?

[wolffish]

ok, so i'm a moderately fit 28yo female, i have no idea about body fat percentages or anything, i'm 160cms and about 55kgs. i train around 6 days a week for at least 60 mins a day (often more), combination of cardio and resistance (kickboxing, weights, running).. been doing this on and off (more on than off) for about 3 years. i've had definante strength gains over the years but its very slow. i'd like to have bigger muscles, maybe a bit less body fat and i definantely dont want to lose my femininity.

i'm moving to thailand in a month, for at least 6 months, i figure it might be a good opportunity to try some gear. i've read the article on women and aas, and i'd like some 'real life' advice about what's good to start on as a women, dosage and whether my present training routine would be appropriate or if i would need to change it..

[Xtralarg]

I would stay away from AAS if I were you as the sides can affect your femininity! Have you thought about HGH? From what your say you want the results to be I think this would be a better option if you train hard and eat clean.

[wolffish]

thanks for your reply, tho the article women and aas on this site suggests anavar and clen as alright for women? i'll go do some reading on hgh now as i haven't actually read much about it.

[Xtralarg]

You will be happy with the results from hgh, that i am sure of....

[Xtralarg]

Have a read of this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265314

[Vitruvian-Man]

thanks for your reply, tho the article women and aas on this site suggests anavar and clen as alright for women? i'll go do some reading on hgh now as i haven't actually read much about it.

Anavar can be very complimentary to the female physique...

If you decide to go down that path then stick to around 10mg/ed, and run it for 5 - 6 weeks.

You can incorporate clen as well. It's going to make your body temp crazy elevated... which will suck since Thailand is already so humid. lol. Just a thought...

-VM

[dec11]

my girl just started hgh and t3. you could go down the creatine route for extra strength, its a very good supplement. ive trained alot of women for similar goals, compound movements with heavy low rep weights is the route you want to go down, have had loads of success with females training like this

[CMB]

Anavar can be very complimentary to the female physique...

If you decide to go down that path then stick to around 10mg/ed, and run it for 5 - 6 weeks.

You can incorporate clen as well. It's going to make your body temp crazy elevated... which will suck since Thailand is already so humid. lol. Just a thought...

-VM

Agreed 10mgs of anavar 6 weeks.

[wolffish]

thanks all.. so can someone explain to me the key differences between anavar and hgh?!

i had the impression that hgh is more about looking good than building strength? (not sure where i got that idea from) seems like hgh has a lot more side effects?

will be in phuket in the wet season, it'll be warm but not crazy hot so clen might be an option - i'm just really worried about insomnia as i already have a lot of trouble sleeping.

are there any interactions between anavar / hgh / clen and contraceptive meds i should know about??

[gymnerd]

Var, clen, hgh with a good diet training is potent combo. HGH is really more about helping to stay lean and not as much about stregth or size even. I would try the var and you could try the clen too. That should be plenty

[wanabeMASSIVE!]

agreed ^^^

[Xtralarg]

my girl just started hgh and t3. you could go down the creatine route for extra strength, its a very good supplement. ive trained alot of women for similar goals, compound movements with heavy low rep weights is the route you want to go down, have had loads of success with females training like this

She is wasting her time and money, you need t4 not t3.

[Xtralarg]

Var, clen, hgh with a good diet training is potent combo. HGH is really more about helping to stay lean and not as much about stregth or size even. I would try the var and you could try the clen too. That should be plenty

Sorry but you're wrong re. hgh. Taken correctly HGH promotes massive muscle growth, since I started using it about 4 years ago I have gained over 40lbs of muscle, you can also look at any top level pro bodybuilder, they all use large amounts of HGH and they are bigger then ever before because of it.

[Xtralarg]

thanks all.. so can someone explain to me the key differences between anavar and hgh?!

i had the impression that hgh is more about looking good than building strength? (not sure where i got that idea from) seems like hgh has a lot more side effects?

will be in phuket in the wet season, it'll be warm but not crazy hot so clen might be an option - i'm just really worried about insomnia as i already have a lot of trouble sleeping.

are there any interactions between anavar / hgh / clen and contraceptive meds i should know about??

HGH and anavaer are two totally different compounds:

Anavar http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199840
HGH http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816

They will work well together but like I have already said if I was a female I would have HGH with T4 and nothing else. If you suffer from insomnia HGH may also help you sleep...it works for me!

I am sure there are no negative effects re. your contaception and HGH.

You're right about HGH not giving massive strength gains but you did originally say you wanted 'to have bigger muscles, maybe a bit less body fat and i definantely dont want to lose my femininity'. HGH is the answer IMHO.

[wolffish]

yup, realise hgh and anavar are different compounds, but meant in regards to benefits / gains.. i want bigger, stronger muscles.. but it sounds like i will get both with hgh or anavar.

i guess i'll keep working on my diet for the next 4 weeks and start shopping and training once i get to phuket.

is training a couple of hours a day enough for good results? once i'm there i'm thinking a daily run, pad & bag work, some resistance training?

[Morgoth]

Anavar and clen seem to be what you are looking for. HGH is way too expensive.
With anavar and clen you will gain strength, loose fat, and build muscle all withou loosing your femininity

[Knockout_Power]

I think she is talking long duration training. Anavar will be good for slow quality gains and give some fat burning qualities. GH will give better long duration performance and recuperative properties...

my question to the OP is really based on your current body composition. If you are currently training several hours a day you should be pretty lean already. Hitting your diet perfectly should yeild some great results. Also, keep in mind that overtraining can lead to difficulties in adding muscle mass.

[wolffish]

i'm currently training an hour to 2 hours a day.. over a week, i recon i'd do 8-9 hours of mixed training. i dont really think thats a lot? in thailand i willy prolly be training 2 hours a day which is when i'll be using, and i'm worried that's not enough, so am i way off in this regard?

i'm not that lean, i am toned all over, i'm very bottom heavy with a decent sized bust, i dont know how to work out my bfat, and it could be because i'm female.. all the women in my family a huge (prolly explains the obsession with training). i really cut weight i pretty much need to starve myself and i'm just no interested, i'm not unhappy with the way i look, i just want to look better and be stronger.

[Knockout_Power]

i'm currently training an hour to 2 hours a day.. over a week, i recon i'd do 8-9 hours of mixed training. i dont really think thats a lot? in thailand i willy prolly be training 2 hours a day which is when i'll be using, and i'm worried that's not enough, so am i way off in this regard?

i'm not that lean, i am toned all over, i'm very bottom heavy with a decent sized bust, i dont know how to work out my bfat, and it could be because i'm female.. all the women in my family a huge (prolly explains the obsession with training). i really cut weight i pretty much need to starve myself and i'm just no interested, i'm not unhappy with the way i look, i just want to look better and be stronger.

ok, then I deinfately think its your current diet. Head over to the diet section and ask the guys in there. They are awesome at helping people drop weight. I know I thought my eating was decent until they tore me apart and set me straight. Eating properly will drop weight far better than starving and it wont result in muscle loss like starving will. Losing muscle from starving will decrease the rate your body burns calories.

Whe I was training martial arts and putting in 8-12 hours a week I had a difficult time adding muscle just from all the intense cardio and training. Its usually one or the other.

[gymnerd]

Sorry but you're wrong re. hgh. Taken correctly HGH promotes massive muscle growth, since I started using it about 4 years ago I have gained over 40lbs of muscle, you can also look at any top level pro bodybuilder, they all use large amounts of HGH and they are bigger then ever before because of it.

Ehhh, yeah it does give some growth but for the price vs results its better to just use anabolics only significant muscle growth I have seen with HGH is when also used with insulin(which should only be done after all anabolics have been used) and run in huge doses and I have never got stronger from nor do I really know anybody that has got significant stregth increase from it either.

I run it for health, fat loss healing etc and its good stuff but would not be my first suggestion and without anabolics will yeild weak size results IMO

[gymnerd]

She is wasting her time and money, you need t4 not t3.

NOt true!! IDK about t4 maybe it works too but T3 and HGH is awesome from my own personal experiance for fatt loss, amazing results.

[wolffish]

are any of you giving me advice, women? i'm not going to disregard your advice either way and will def check out my diet.. but i'm fairly sure that there's a big genetic factor and female factor that my body doesn't want to shed all it's fat..

i've also got a decent sized bust for a small chick - still C when i'm real skinny, and DD when i'm not training), dunno if that affects anything, i certainly dont want to lose all my tits!

[gymnerd]

are any of you giving me advice, women? i'm not going to disregard your advice either way and will def check out my diet.. but i'm fairly sure that there's a big genetic factor and female factor that my body doesn't want to shed all it's fat..

i've also got a decent sized bust for a small chick - still C when i'm real skinny, and DD when i'm not training), dunno if that affects anything, i certainly dont want to lose all my tits!

LOL,it is much more difficult for a female to get low BF but you just have to keep at it harder thats all. Diet is key male female doesnt matter without it you will not get low BF/ Start diet get your training 100% dialed in and then take it from there IMO

[Knockout_Power]

are any of you giving me advice, women? i'm not going to disregard your advice either way and will def check out my diet.. but i'm fairly sure that there's a big genetic factor and female factor that my body doesn't want to shed all it's fat..

i've also got a decent sized bust for a small chick - still C when i'm real skinny, and DD when i'm not training), dunno if that affects anything, i certainly dont want to lose all my tits!

You are absolutely right, women have a completely different set of factors controlling their body composition. Men and women store excess weight differently and with all factors being the same, men will, in general, lose it faster just due to our make up. BUT, the fundamentals of losing weight are the same regardless of which sex we are. The majority of top femal pro's are taking dieting advise from male coaches and they seem to do well.

And about the boobies, they will go the leaner you get. My friend sits at a natural D cup during the off season and has no trace of a chest when she's on stage @ 4-5%. Hopefully you can sit somewhere you are still curvy, but it is innevitable that they will shrink.

[wolffish]

super low bfat isn't my primary goal, bigger muscles / more strength is, bit of a bfat reduction would be nice but i'll hope that will come with the territory of bigger muscles..

so just to clarify, the general opinion is that i still need to work on my diet and do less cardio / more weights to build myself up before trying a cycle of anything?

[gymnerd]

super low bfat isn't my primary goal, bigger muscles / more strength is, bit of a bfat reduction would be nice but i'll hope that will come with the territory of bigger muscles..

so just to clarify, the general opinion is that i still need to work on my diet and do less cardio / more weights to build myself up before trying a cycle of anything?

Anavar is your answer then. Could try winstrol but its a little more harsh on females. Either start at 10mg every day for dose see how you react. If your primary goal is not to cut then forget the clen IMO and the GH will not really do anything dramatic for your goals JMO and my personal experiance with it.

Thats really the only way I would go if I were you. Females can also run Primo but var and winstrol will be better for strength hands down.

[wolffish]

winstrol sounds too harsh for my needs, i'm really only recreational so i'm not interested in doing any damange.. i dont get to thailand til first week of july anyways so i will see what i can do about diet until then..

[wolffish]

fk!! ok, so i have found out i have a herniated disc, and after some research found out this is pretty bad news, though not the end of the world!

would i need to wait till i'm fully recovered to take anavar or can i take it as soon as i'm well enough to start basic training again (at present, dr's orders are to completely rest for a least this week and not do -anything- physical) have started going to a good physio who's workin on me.

[Xtralarg]

Ehhh, yeah it does give some growth but for the price vs results its better to just use anabolics only significant muscle growth I have seen with HGH is when also used with insulin(which should only be done after all anabolics have been used) and run in huge doses and I have never got stronger from nor do I really know anybody that has got significant stregth increase from it either.

I run it for health, fat loss healing etc and its good stuff but would not be my first suggestion and without anabolics will yeild weak size results IMO

Are you being serious?

If you really think that hgh is no good for massive muscle growth then you havent been using it properly. Why do you think the poros are so much bigger now than they were years ago when aas were available but hgh wasnt?

Sure its good for fat loss etc but if you run hgh at the right dose you WILL see dramatic changes to your body, I know because I have and so have many BB's who I know. Yo cant compare it aas as it is a totally different compound which will give the competent user excellent results both with aas and without.

[Xtralarg]

NOt true!! IDK about t4 maybe it works too but T3 and HGH is awesome from my own personal experiance for fatt loss, amazing results.

If you take T3 you are bound to experience fat loss no matter what!

Read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=253351

[gymnerd]

Are you being serious?

If you really think that hgh is no good for massive muscle growth then you havent been using it properly. Why do you think the poros are so much bigger now than they were years ago when aas were available but hgh wasnt?

Sure its good for fat loss etc but if you run hgh at the right dose you WILL see dramatic changes to your body, I know because I have and so have many BB's who I know. Yo cant compare it aas as it is a totally different compound which will give the competent user excellent results both with aas and without.

Yes, the "right way" run HGH for growth is with anabolics and INSULIN without it you will not get great gains regardless how you run it. I have tried every protocol out there and its all the same pretty much if you dont use slin you will not get great muscle growth from gh. I ran up to 10iu PWO split am PWO before bed you name it slin is needed IMO for growth without it the big doses are being wasted for the most part.

[Xtralarg]

Yes, the "right way" run HGH for growth is with anabolics and INSULIN without it you will not get great gains regardless how you run it. I have tried every protocol out there and its all the same pretty much if you dont use slin you will not get great muscle growth from gh. I ran up to 10iu PWO split am PWO before bed you name it slin is needed IMO for growth without it the big doses are being wasted for the most part.

BS! I have never touched slin and have seen massive gains using HGH, remember just because it hasnt worked for you that doesnt mean it wont work for others. Im 280lbs with 7%bf....before i used HGH i was stuck at 240for a long time so believe me im living proof.

[gymnerd]

BS! I have never touched slin and have seen massive gains using HGH, remember just because it hasnt worked for you that doesnt mean it wont work for others. Im 280lbs with 7%bf....before i used HGH i was stuck at 240for a long time so believe me im living proof.

What kind of doses are you running? I mean I am not saying it doesnt work its obvious it does I have never heard of anyone making big gains from it without slin though and you can only run it so high without it I could not run more than 8iu ED for any peoriod of time.

There has been pros who have told a bit of what they are running and we are talking 3grm a wk of gear or more, 20-30iu hgh ED and huge amounts of slin with it these guys are not making those kind of gains from 4iu I can tell you that much.

[dec11]

She is wasting her time and money, you need t4 not t3.

the t3 is working very well for her, her cardio output has come on leaps and bounds in a week of use so not a waste in my book mate

[bjpennnn]

Anavar can be very complimentary to the female physique...

If you decide to go down that path then stick to around 10mg/ed, and run it for 5 - 6 weeks.

You can incorporate clen as well. It's going to make your body temp crazy elevated... which will suck since Thailand is already so humid. lol. Just a thought...

-VM

this is such bs women and steroids i would love to take an anavar only cycle at 10mg ew with no pct ha i would never come off probably. men have it rough our cycles cost so much.

[dec11]

If you take T3 you are bound to experience fat loss no matter what!

Read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=253351

why you describing it as being a waste then?

[Xtralarg]

why you describing it as being a waste then?

What I am saying is that the T3 will work and you will experience fat loss, but you are wasting the potential of your hgh.

[Xtralarg]

the t3 is working very well for her, her cardio output has come on leaps and bounds in a week of use so not a waste in my book mate

If her cardio has come on leaps and bounds in a week then its more psychological that physical IMO

[Xtralarg]

What kind of doses are you running? I mean I am not saying it doesnt work its obvious it does I have never heard of anyone making big gains from it without slin though and you can only run it so high without it I could not run more than 8iu ED for any peoriod of time.

There has been pros who have told a bit of what they are running and we are talking 3grm a wk of gear or more, 20-30iu hgh ED and huge amounts of slin with it these guys are not making those kind of gains from 4iu I can tell you that much.

I have not talked about dosages so im not sure why you mention 4iu?

[dec11]

What I am saying is that the T3 will work and you will experience fat loss, but you are wasting the potential of your hgh.

she's only on hgh for b/f loss and well being. alot of experinced members on here have told that is a good combination. i know that t3 can have a negative effect on nitrogen in the body, but since shes not after muscle i dont see hoiw it applies.