planning 1st cycle TEST E / Dbol

[metski]

still planning this im reading alot but so far i think this is basicly what i have in mind am i WAY off here or am i heading in right direction?


been lifting for 2 years 13%bf 23years old

i can get alot bigger naturally but i want to do a cycle.
test shot split into 2 shots twice a week.
eg
200mgs Monday morning > 200mgs Thursday night few hours before workout
Dbol split twice a day 10mgs with meal #1 and 10mgs with pre workout meal


Testosterone Enanthate / Dianabol
w1 test e 400 mgs / 20 mgs Dbol
w2 test e 400 mgs / 20 mgs Dbol
w3 test e 400 mgs / 20 mgs Dbol
w4 test e 400 mgs / 20 mgs Dbol
w5 test e 400 mgs
w6 test e 400 mgs
w7 test e 400 mgs
w5 test e 400 mgs
w8 test e 400 mgs
w9 test e 400 mgs
w10 test e 400 mgs
w11 test e 400 mgs
w12 test e 400 mgs

PCT 14days after last shot

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50


ok few things i confused about

im considering using LiquiDex (Anastrozole) at .25mg through out whole cycle
this would stop same time as cycle. (do i need this really?)

If i start showing signs of Gyno mid cycle can i stop the LDex start taking
Nolva 40mgs for 5days then drop down to 20mgs untill i notice gyno going away then continue using Nolva at 10mgs till end of cycle?

slowly adding cals to my diet 400cals every 2 weeks will ensure i get 2xg protein p/lbs
minimal fat intake and fill cals with carbs.

Can i work each muscle twice a week? or do i still need alot of rest to get big

also as soon as i get off cycle can i start EC stack to stop catabolism? i dont like using clen not really comfortable on it but i looooove EC


and one really newbie question looking at dosages
quid Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL

2 ml is like nearly the whole oral syrinage yeah? seems like alot or am i counting it wrong

[CoolStroybro]

Research HCG

[metski]

Research HCG

have read a bit about it but to be honest i sort of cbf keep injecting for so long.

i heard thats more recommended for extended cycles right?

[bjpennnn]

whats your weight?

[metski]

whats your weight?

6'1 176lbs

aware i can gain alot more natrually but curious to see what results i get on cycle.

My diet is low atm but will be adding ALOT more slowly

P / c / F

#1
Pro/Carb

75g oats 12 / 50.2 / 4.7 - 288
WHEY 1 scoop 25 / 4 / 1.5 = 130


37 / 54.2 / 6.2 - 418

#2
Pro/Fat

salmon 200g 43.2 / 0 / 12 = 146
3 boiled eggs 18.8 / 1.7 / 16 = 232


62 / 1.7 / 28 - 378


#3
Pro/Carb

180g tuna 45.5 / 0 / 1 - 201
100g Brown Bread 5.2 / 43.3 / 1.5 - 195

50.7 / 43.3 / 2.5 - 396


#4
preworkout meal

65g brown rice 5.2 / 50.2 / 1.9 = 240
100g chicken breast 29.6 / 0 / 7.7 = 195

34.8 / 50. / 9.6 - 435



#5
postworkout meal

WHEY 1 scoop 30 / 4 / 1.5 = 140
45g grinded oats 7.2 / 30.2 / 2.8 = 173


37.2 / 34.2 / 4.3 - 313



#6
180g tuna 45.5 / 0 / 1 - 201
35g brown rice 2.8 / 27 / 1 = 130

48.3 / 27 / 2 - 331



#7
1 scoop casein 24 / 3 / 1 = 120
45g grinded oats 7.2 / 30.2 / 2.8 = 173

31.2 / 33.2 / 3.8 - 293

Totals

301 / 243 / 56.4 - 2564

will bump up to 3k asap and slowly keep adding for cycle

[bjpennnn]

bro you neeed to eat your so ****en light steroids are not for you. basically since your concept of diet is bad, when you get off your cycle your going to go righ back to where you started becuase you do not know how to eat.

[bjpennnn]

you should be ****en eating everything all the time.

[metski]

you should be ****en eating everything all the time.

Appreciate reply but why is my concept of diet bad?


I built that diet using stickies here and watching milos vids I got from here


What am I missing?
Bad variety and timing if nutrients?
Or not enough cals?

Not planning to do cycle right away I'm slowly adding cals if I just add 2k cals I'll blow up like fat Albert

[Matt]

According to your own calculations you consume 2564 cals a day, this would be fine for a 5'10 girl...

Im 5'10 and just to maintain bw i need to consume 3000 cals a day..

You need to tweak your diet, for your height you should be consuming closer to 4000 cals every day...

[metski]

According to your own calculations you consume 2564 cals a day, this would be fine for a 5'10 girl...

Im 5'10 and just to maintain bw i need to consume 3000 cals a day..

You need to tweak your diet, for your height you should be consuming closer to 4000 cals every day...

Cals have been at defect becase I having been trying to cut fat I lost 40-43kg in last 12months I can't just add a bunch of cals I plan to build up to over 2g protein x lbs and 3g carb x lbs and will make sure total cals are over maintenance

When I reach that in cals that's when I want to start cycle.

You boys think my cycle plan seems decent (:?

[metski]

any comments on PCT and the use of Ldex during cycle?

plz?

[metski]

decided im going to wait another year im still young.

see what happens natrually

[Devil's_Advocate]

decided im going to wait another year im still young.

see what happens natrually

Good choice. See what an increased calorie diet will do for you. I was once your weight (at 6'2") and after a few years I gained enough to put me at 191lb.

I am now 211lb, after a few more years and supplement help.
Wait until your base is stronger. You will build a bigger, better house from a strong foundation. work hard, eat like a beast.