Any one got any information?

**Door_10** · 06-07-2010, 01:30 PM

I have been going to the gym for around 7/8 months and nearly every one that goes to the gym takes steriods , ive looked up about them and seen there are hundereds about, can anyone give me information on witch once i can take for the quickest and best results. I am a 18yo male.

Many thanks,

**Matt** · 06-07-2010, 01:34 PM

You need to understand first the potential dangers of using steroids at such an early age, damage to growth plate and hpta just to name two..

There are many educational threads here, i suggest you start by reading them...

**HawaiianPride.** · 06-07-2010, 01:35 PM

Stick with a diet and solid training regimen. Get adequate sleep and don't worry about steroids or how fast other people are growing in your gym for that matter.

Worry about yourself. Use this precious time you have to really take advantage of the best growth years of your life. Educate yourself on how it's bad to be altering your hormones at this age and I guarantee it will be enough to change your mind.

**Door_10** · 06-07-2010, 01:36 PM

i have read about steriods before until i have been blue in the face! its just slightly annoying when you arnt getting any results doing it the right way when everyone els on steriods are massive.

**Matt** · 06-07-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Door_10

i have read about steriods before until i have been blue in the face! its just slightly annoying when you arnt getting any results doing it the right way when everyone els on steriods are massive.

Yep and in years to come when their all potentially fvcked you'll still be going strong...

**Knockout_Power** · 06-07-2010, 01:39 PM

You are going to hurt yourself really bad doing this right now. Forget what everyone else looks like, you are not them and they were probably uneducated when they started cycling.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-07-2010, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Door_10

i have read about steriods before until i have been blue in the face! its just slightly annoying when you arnt getting any results doing it the right way when everyone els on steriods are massive.

at 18 you have a ton of natural test. You arent doing everything right if you arent getting results. Id bet anything your diet is wrong.

What are your stats

**Door_10** · 06-07-2010, 01:40 PM

I am going to try them and i would just lik some further information on wich ones to buy before i buy and take the wrong ones.

**MaNiCC** · 06-07-2010, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Door_10

I am going to try them and i would just lik some further information on wich ones to buy before i buy and take the wrong ones.

At your age they are all wrong. The potential negative effects on your health out weigh the potential benefits.

If your not making progress doing "it the right way". your not doing it right. im with gix on this. bet its the diet

**Matt** · 06-07-2010, 01:43 PM

Sorry but no one on here advises 18 year olds...

**HawaiianPride.** · 06-07-2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Door_10

I am going to try them and i would just lik some further information on wich ones to buy before i buy and take the wrong ones.

If your dead set on this idea and blowing off everyone's advice, then it really doesn't matter which ones you take or how much of it you take, right? In the end they will ALL do the same damage, potentially ruining your body for life.

Read on..

"Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon , Winstrol , Dbol , Tren , etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

-Phreezer"

**gixxerboy1** · 06-07-2010, 02:02 PM

Nice post. Phreezer always knew his shit

**bjpennnn** · 06-07-2010, 02:04 PM

Marcus300
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

**ghettoboyd** · 06-07-2010, 02:05 PM

all the aas in the world wont help you if you havent learned how to eat to get results natty first....obviously this is not what you want to hear but its the truth man.....everyone here is giving you solid advise your just not taking it cus youd rather go the "majic bean" rout....not to mention you want to be spoon fed all the info showing us all that you lack the disipline and dedication....its all right here man you just got to read up....

**MuscleCommand** · 06-07-2010, 05:06 PM

18 is too young to start - plain and simple. Be patient and listen to your elders here, as much as that sucks to you. We are looking out for your best interests.

**ThatGuyYeahHim** · 06-07-2010, 05:10 PM

Not everyone at the gym is on steroids . Some people simply have excellent genetics, eat a fk load (which you dont see at the gym) and are simply older than you and have been training for longer.
If EVERYONE at your gym is huge, did you sign up at a World Gym or something for serious body builders? That wouldnt help your self esteem. Perhaps join a gym with "normal" people for a few years.

**Knockout_Power** · 06-07-2010, 05:15 PM

Theres a ton of awesome advise in this thread... obviously the OP will not listen to it cause he doesnt care about consequence, only the hopeful result to get over his feelings of insecurity in wanting to have others be in awe over his intended future juiced up body. Hopefully he doesnt get too many girls wanting him cause there's a really good chance his junk wont work when it comes time to perform. oh well, sure looks good flexing in front of a mirror though.

To the others first time users or potential first time users thinking about cycling too young, read the info here and make the right choice.