Replace Steroids Injection with Saline?

[concernedfriend]

Here's the deal...

I have a younger friend that lives with me, I consider him to be like a son.

Recently he has thrown himself into working out every single day in an attempt to get bigger. I thought he was doing everything naturally. He had talked about steroids in the past, but I didnt think he would them.

Last week, I found an empty syringe and many empty packages in his trash can. I knew what they were for. Yesterday I found his actual supply. There were three vials of Testerone Enanthate 250 with syringes ranging from 3cc to 6cc with 22gauge needles. One vial was full the other half empty and another completely empty.

First Question...
How long should those bottles last?

Second Question...
Can I empty those bottles and refill them with something like a Saline Solution so that he wouldnt know the difference?

I absolutley DO NOT want him taking steroids. There's no reason for it. He's 20, active, healthy, good looking and was always built well. I cannot confront him or simply throw them away, but replacing them with something harmless that he could inject would be very possible.

Any recommendations?

[redz]

Do not replace them with anything, talk to him.

[Hazard]

Do not replace them with anything, talk to him.

Redz is right.....

Replacig them with something could actually damage him worse. Right now he's injecting exogenous hormones. His natural testosterone production has been stopped..... If you replace the oil with something else (and he doesn't notice) he will be left with non functioning testes and no exogenous hormones either.....

You need to have a talk with him..... he needs to run a proper PCT (Post cycle therapy) in order to help prevent any damage to his bodies natural processes.

Like I said.... simply tricking him can actually do more harm than good..... he needs a talk and correct information.

~Haz~

[Nooomoto]

If you replaced my gear with saline...I'd fk you up.

[discobizkid]

I would suggest sitting down with your young friend and doing some research in the educational forum together. He is too young for steroids. Need to at least be in mid 20's before cycling. You were wise to ask before you deceived.

[concernedfriend]

It would be impossible to talk to him about this.

For one, he would look at it as me interferring in his business. But beyond that, even if I did talk to him, and he pretended to listen, he'd just lie and say he stopped then keep doing them where I wouldnt know.

If he were to just stop, how long before his body started producing testosterone naturally again?

Please educate me as I know very little about this.

[stpete]

Good luck getting him to listen to anything you say once you tell him that you invaded his privacy.

[Hazard]

It would be impossible to talk to him about this.

For one, he would look at it as me interferring in his business. But beyond that, even if I did talk to him, and he pretended to listen, he'd just lie and say he stopped then keep doing them where I wouldnt know.

If he were to just stop, how long before his body started producing testosterone naturally again?

Please educate me as I know very little about this.

Thats very dependant upon his body.....

for most cycle.... guys run a pct for approx. a month long. With the proper drugs..... testosterone production COULD be fully or mostly restored in 30 days. Without the drugs..... His production will most like restore but possibly not to high enough levels. He could end up with permanantly disfunctional testes..... he could end up with lower levels than before he started..... or he could end up perfectly fine. The latter is most definately the exception and not the rule here.....

Either way..... is he doesn't hae the proper drugs to restore his natural production or if he does but gets duped into injecting sterile oil..... his natural recovery process could take a very long time.

~Haz~

[concernedfriend]

Here's another question...

What if the steroid was diluted with a sterile injectable oil, such as sesame oil? Say 1/4 steroid and 3/4 oil?

[glennyo1981]

dude if he wants to do them thats his biness

[bjpennnn]

ya why dont you tell him to come to this site himself.

[critical]

You sound like a terrible friend. Are you a chick? You sound like a chick.

[cherrydrpepper]

The best thing you could do is figure out how to tell him you know without coming across as a snoop and then sending him to this website. He probably has no nolva / clomi that he will need at the end of his cycle. He's obviously going to do them so he needs to do them right.

[Devil's_Advocate]

The only thing you can do is lay down the rules for your home.
No drugs that do not have a prescription.

Leaving his used needles around would get him smacked down at my house.

He may tell you he has stopped, but there is no way to know unless he gets blood tests, and he wont consent to that. Steroid use is like Fight Club, the 1st rule is that it doesnt exist. He will hide it better next time.

Show him this site, let him see what happens to the (aside from muscle growth), and that he needs proper pct.

[wharton]

Sounds to me your trying to steal his steds for yourself and give him whatever crap you can so he doesnt notice, Do not replace them with anything it is very dangerous and could lead to an infection and death if not delt with, lucky I dont know you or you would be in the shit now with me and your friend, people like you are dangerous, let this be a warning to everyone lock away your juice if someone has access to it they could really do you damage.

[Times Roman]

If you replaced my gear with saline...I'd fk you up.

ditto on the above!

The reality is he is at that age (20) where he may not do as you ask. You may be able to sway him, but you cannot FORCE him! And if after you talk to him, he decides he will continue anyways, then right or wrong, that is his decision. You will run into trouble if you try to force him. No one likes being "told" what to do (even me). So time to take a breath and deal with reality.

[Fetch]

You can't force someone to do something. He knows right from wrong, if he chooses to use, he has that right. As a friend, the only right you have is to make sure he's educated. I would come at him with the following:

"Look, I know about the steroids. I'm not going to tell you what to do, it's not my place. But I did do some research because I care. Everything I read points to the fact that until you hit around 24 or 25, you run much higher risks of permanently damaging your endocrine system and ending up with life-long hormonal deficiencies, or stunted growth." Leave a slip of paper with this forums address on it and don't try to talk to him. Confrontation is always embarrassing at the least, so he will be defensive. Just say your piece, leave him with the tools to educate himself, and leave it at that.

If he chooses to keep using, it's on him. There is nothing you can do except be a friend. That doesn't include tricking him into doing something because you think it's right.

[poppz]

sounds like your fishin on a replacement on his gear,or ready to open up an internet site .lol

[Pac Man]

He's too young for aas but since he started already you should direct him here. In the mean time I'll send you my address so you can send me his gear.... Its for the greater good

[marcus300]

If your that concerned (and you should be at his age) you need to talk to him.

[Noles12]

As everyone else has said the only thing you can really do is educate him and hope he is mature and smart enough to stop.

More than likely he wont be though and you will really have no influence on him.

[Lemonada8]

You need to talk to him of course for the other issues.

As for whats goin on in his body, He has shut down his HPTA system (testosterone production + more ). He needs a PCT to help reboot this.

PCT includes 4 weeks of :
Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) at 40/40/20/20 (thats mg taken ED) this is a basic PCT and typically good for a test only cycle.

If you want to involve a pro-steroid Doctor (meaning the doc knows the endo behind the steroids) *an Endocrinologist would be the most informational (in theory :S )
you can prolly get a script for Nolva, and possibly even HCG (hormone that stimulates test production, kind of a kick start for the HPTA system) The HCG Ive ran with good results is 250iu 2x a week, however since u will be stopping his cycle, or whatever u choose he still needs a PCT. If u begin his PCT asap, then you will prolly want to up the dose to 500 iu 2x a week for the first 2 weeks then drop it to 250 iu 2x week. (you can also do E2D, if you wish)

^^ that will help his body even out the balance in the HPTA system. He is lucky though, young bodies recover much faster so good chance with proper follow through, he can avoid major issues when he gets older *All the previous stated concerns are correct however, so need to be smart!

Good luck, Knowledge is power! you can not like someones decision but if they do it informed and proper then u gotta respect it :P


FYI - DO NOT try to substitute anything trying to fool him that is a disaster waiting to happen.

[lovbyts]

It would be impossible to talk to him about this. Why is this? I though you are his friend?

For one, he would look at it as me interferring in his business. But beyond that, even if I did talk to him, and he pretended to listen, he'd just lie and say he stopped then keep doing them where I wouldnt know. If that is true then you must not be a very close friend.

If he were to just stop, how long before his body started producing testosterone naturally again? Without a Proper PCT it's unknown. Maybe not long, maybe not at all. Everyone is different.

Please educate me as I know very little about this. Read the beginner cycle sticky notes above and the PCT notes.

Agreed with everyone. DONT do it. You may do more harm than good. I also agree, you sound more like a chick, maybe a mom.

Yes he is to young for many reasons but also he is old enough to make his own mistakes and you cant protect him forever.

[gymnerd]

Dont do that. Either talk to him abt it or leave it alone if you cant. Bottom line is he is a grown man and a legal adult who does not need anyones approval for what he is doing. If you are concerned you need to man up and tlk to him about it, if you cant then let him be its not like he is using heroin.