Natural Testosterone Boosters with Oral Only Cycles

**Always Learning** · 06-09-2010, 12:40 PM

Pointless? It will be some time before I run a cycle but this question popped into my head last night.

Say your going to do a Oral only cycle ( God forbid I know ) would the addition of a Natural Test Booster be benefical in anyway whether small or big?

For instance reducing the rate at which your test is supressed?

**marcus300** · 06-09-2010, 12:46 PM

Oral only cycles are a no go, so its pointless in saying.

Natural test booster are no good when your on cycle, many dont work and the ones what do will only take you to baseline anyway IMHO.

Also a natural test booster will not slow down the shutdown of your natural test from being on cycle.

Please reasech alot more.

**MuscleCommand** · 06-09-2010, 02:33 PM

Agree with the above post. Save your orals until you have something to stack it with and save the test booster to add to your Pct. Most of them are worthless anyway.

**Jahcuree** · 06-09-2010, 03:38 PM

In regards to stacking orals only, what if the goal is not to gain massive amounts of lean muscle mass?

(for my body at least) If i were to cycle test e + an oral like anavar or something it would be impossible for people not to know i was using AAS. (15-20lb would be VERY noticable and prob freaky looking on my frame)

**StangLaw** · 06-09-2010, 03:55 PM

if im thinking correctly most orals are for strength with minimal gain in mass, and the others you gain more water than mass (dbol )

**Always Learning** · 06-09-2010, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Oral only cycles are a no go, so its pointless in saying.

Natural test booster are no good when your on cycle, many dont work and the ones what do will only take you to baseline anyway IMHO.

Also a natural test booster will not slow down the shutdown of your natural test from being on cycle.

Please reasech alot more.

Oh beleive me I am researching. I almost jumped into all of this but decided I would wait atleast 2-3 months until I accumulate a well though out cycle and understanding of the cycle.

That said I have seen successful oral cycles. Especially with Anavar and Tbol. If a person had a minor testosterone defeincy ( such as I do ) would a natural test booster not be helpful at all on an oral only cycle? Even if it only brought them up to normal levels.

Note - My T levels are just below average, not to the point where I could get something prescribed. I have tried a few Natural Test Boosters and my T levels were brought up to the higher end of average.

**Always Learning** · 06-10-2010, 11:10 AM

Bump

**marcus300** · 06-10-2010, 11:15 AM

What are your stats?

Why do you want to do oral only instead of injections?

**danielli** · 06-10-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Always Learning

Oh beleive me I am researching. I almost jumped into all of this but decided I would wait atleast 2-3 months until I accumulate a well though out cycle and understanding of the cycle.

That said I have seen successful oral cycles. Especially with Anavar and Tbol. If a person had a minor testosterone defeincy ( such as I do ) would a natural test booster not be helpful at all on an oral only cycle? Even if it only brought them up to normal levels.

Note - My T levels are just below average, not to the point where I could get something prescribed. I have tried a few Natural Test Boosters and my T levels were brought up to the higher end of average.

What natural boosters did you use, and how do you know that they actually yeilded the results you say they did?

**Always Learning** · 06-10-2010, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by danielli

What natural boosters did you use, and how do you know that they actually yeilded the results you say they did?

Bloodwork.

As for what I want to do an oral only. My wife is very... nervous about me stepping into the world of steroids . N while I certainly plan to pin in the future, at this time I know the transition will be easier for the both of us if its a simple pill with a solid pct. Basically a small cycle just to show her it can be safe when treated with proper respect and givin PCT and research have been done.

**lifterjaydawg** · 06-10-2010, 12:35 PM

I think a basic test cycle with a pct of nolva dn clomid would be safer and work better. The orals may hurt you more. Definitely look into a liver supplement like udca for those orals.

**CMB** · 06-10-2010, 12:46 PM

You could do an anavar only cycle.

**Always Learning** · 06-10-2010, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

You could do an anavar only cycle.

Thats what im leaning towards. However, right now im just trying to find out if running a natural test supplement while on an oral only cycle will benefit in ANY way large or small. especially sense I already have slightly low T levels.

**bjpennnn** · 06-10-2010, 02:34 PM

anavar only cycles is for little girly men

**bjpennnn** · 06-10-2010, 02:35 PM

what are your stats
Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF%: ?
Cycle Exp: ?
PCT Knowledge: ?
Training Exp: ?
Diet: ?

expecially your diet

**gixxerboy1** · 06-10-2010, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jahcuree

In regards to stacking orals only, what if the goal is not to gain massive amounts of lean muscle mass?

(for my body at least) If i were to cycle test e + an oral like anavar or something it would be impossible for people not to know i was using AAS. (15-20lb would be VERY noticable and prob freaky looking on my frame)

then just run a cycle of test e. No need to add a second aas. also how much you gain will also have to do with your diet.

If you are just looking to gain 5-10lbs then i wouldn't do any aas. You can achieve that with out it

**Always Learning** · 06-10-2010, 07:14 PM

Bump.

**Little Herc** · 06-10-2010, 07:19 PM

I would also like to know what test booster you used that actually showed results with blood work.

I'm not doubting what your saying I just would like to know in case I ever decide to try one.

**Always Learning** · 06-10-2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Little Herc

I would also like to know what test booster you used that actually showed results with blood work.

I'm not doubting what your saying I just would like to know in case I ever decide to try one.

The Beast Super Test

**Big** · 06-10-2010, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

What are your stats?

Why do you want to do oral only instead of injections?

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

what are your stats
Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF%: ?
Cycle Exp: ?
PCT Knowledge: ?
Training Exp: ?
Diet: ?

expecially your diet

Originally Posted by Always Learning

Bump.

instead of needlessly bumping, how about answering the questions of those trying to help you...

**cherrydrpepper** · 06-10-2010, 08:58 PM

OP the crap you are talking about is for people who are scared of needles. Just take the blue pill wake up in your bed and forget you ever heard about aas. Or you can shoot the red pill into your ass and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

**ottomaddox** · 06-10-2010, 11:05 PM

Troll

**Always Learning** · 06-11-2010, 09:22 AM

This isnt a thread in regards to me setting up a cycle. I am a good 2-3 months away from even deciding if I want to for sure cycle.

Right now im just reading and learning as well as asking questions.

Ive gotten maybe 1 or 2 responses to my actual question out of 21 responses.

Will a Natural Test Booster have ANY postive effect whether it be big or small if used while running an Oral Only cycle? Especially when I have just under average T levels, are there any possible bad effects as well?

Im looking for responses to this question, not advice on a cycle that I have not set up yet nor am I sure I even will. Im here to LEARN not to jump on a cycle just yet.

**Jahcuree** · 06-11-2010, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

then just run a cycle of test e. No need to add a second aas. also how much you gain will also have to do with your diet.

If you are just looking to gain 5-10lbs then i wouldn't do any aas. You can achieve that with out it

True. I dont think 5-10lbs of lean mass can ALWAYS be achieved w.o aas though, there is a point where the body will not carry more mass naturally correct?

Always Learning - I have asked a similar question to one of the more experienced guys on here. He used a test booster but not while on cycle and had blood levels tested. His test levels increased a good bit while on it but said he didnt notice any more gains than without it.
When you used your test booster did you get an gains?

**ottomaddox** · 06-11-2010, 11:54 AM

Stop being the problem, give us your stats and then you'll get more than enough answers to all and every question asked. There are just some questions that we need to further try and help you better.
Post stats= Help
No Stats= No Help.
For all we know you're only 18 years old, 6'3" tall and 150lbs, and have been working out for a week?

Originally Posted by Always Learning

This isnt a thread in regards to me setting up a cycle. I am a good 2-3 months away from even deciding if I want to for sure cycle.

Right now im just reading and learning as well as asking questions.

Ive gotten maybe 1 or 2 responses to my actual question out of 21 responses.

Will a Natural Test Booster have ANY postive effect whether it be big or small if used while running an Oral Only cycle? Especially when I have just under average T levels, are there any possible bad effects as well?

Im looking for responses to this question, not advice on a cycle that I have not set up yet nor am I sure I even will. Im here to LEARN not to jump on a cycle just yet.

**Always Learning** · 06-11-2010, 12:30 PM

6'1 211 lbs 13-14% BF
29 years old

Diet consist of Oatmeal, Brown rice, Chicken, Fish, Veggies, Fat free milk, plenty of water, bananas, almonds and the occasional protein shake.

Lifting for 5 years, lifting with a brain for 3

My wife is blond, and my dogs name is Tito.

**Jahcuree** · 06-11-2010, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Always Learning

6'1 211 lbs 13-14% BF
29 years old

Diet consist of Oatmeal, Brown rice, Chicken, Fish, Veggies, Fat free milk, plenty of water, bananas, almonds and the occasional protein shake.

Lifting for 5 years, lifting with a brain for 3

My wife is blond, and my dogs name is Tito.

wife hot?

**gixxerboy1** · 06-11-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jahcuree

True. I dont think 5-10lbs of lean mass can ALWAYS be achieved w.o aas though, there is a point where the body will not carry more mass naturally correct?
Always Learning - I have asked a similar question to one of the more experienced guys on here. He used a test booster but not while on cycle and had blood levels tested. His test levels increased a good bit while on it but said he didnt notice any more gains than without it.
When you used your test booster did you get an gains?

very true. But 95% of the people asking here aren't at that point. So i did generalise.

**Jahcuree** · 06-11-2010, 03:49 PM

^ ah true

hah

**Big** · 06-11-2010, 04:11 PM

to further elaborate on what marcus said in post 2, natty test boosters are not sufficient to offset the suppression caused by very suppressive compounds. that being said, your question is still a bit to general to get a conclusive answer. a natty test booster along side tbol or var may help a bit, however along side a very suppressive oral and it would likely not help at all.

**kurwa** · 07-07-2011, 01:16 PM

Oral cycles do work they just won't give you extreme results as fast. And FYI to ALL injections still affect your liver, regardless. All garbage gets cleaned by kidneys and the liver, doesn't matter if you swallow, snort or inject :-) Natural test boosters do help to stave off suppression but only with the weaker gear, or when you take very low doses.

Having said that: I had really good results (cutting) with VAR @ 20mg ED for 7 weeks, which I started mid my "cycle" of Pink Magic ... yeah, yeah, most of you will laugh but that's what I've used before starting VAR to raise my natural level of TEST and it worked well for shedding fat ... I'm 39yo, 6'6" was 270lbs, I went from 14% BF to 9% (240lbs now) on this cycle ... After Pink Magic ran out I continued taking VAR and I used AllMax TestoFX Loaded in the morning and Pharma Freak Test Freak before bed... all supps come to an end almost at the same time as I was about to finish with VAR ...

b/c the VAR dose was low and b/c I was taking natural test boosters I've never experienced any shut down (balls hung proudly! lol). In fact when all the supps where done I went to get a blood test and my free TEST level was at 821ng/dl (I'm typically around 450ng/dl when OFF supps), liver enzymes were all good and my cholesterol health was above average, which has earned me a pat on the back from my Doc who thinks all 39 yo's should have bad results LOL well that's what he's used to ...

To help my liver I was taking "Himalaya Liv 52" (Liver Detox and Support) one ED before bed, and Allmax R-ALA ED in the morning.

To help with my HDL/LDL health I was poping 4g of concentrated Omega3 from fish oils, twice daily.

Since all the blood results were "2 thumbs up" I decided not to follow up with any PCT.

So there you have it! :-) Not everybody follows the same path of JUST gear and shinking their balls, I for one like to see'em hang nice and low all the time! :-P

Now I'm enjoying the summer trying not to get fat :-) LOL