First Cycle

[Tiny26]

Hi Bros,
I'm a newbie, 26, been training for 4years went from 150 to 184 naturally (lifting 5 to 6x a week). I recently dropped down to 165 for stress related reasons and have reached a plateau w my workouts and not satisifed w results considering the work i put in. I have been doing a lot of research on this. I'm considering a first cycle of test enth at 500mg/week stacked with a low dose of deca maybe 100mg/week just for joint pain (rotator cuff and elbow) running this while on nolvadex and proscar as i'm worried about hair loss (prob start nolva 1 week or so before cycle to get running). PCT will consist of clomid alone.

Questions, do you inject both test and deca one after the other? And do i use nolvadex while on the stack daily? what is a safe dose? I'm looking to get up to 190 maybe 200 and cut after, is that a feasible goal on a first cycle?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[panntastic]

nolva could be kept for pct as i wouldnt run just clomid alone bro. and as its your first cycle just stick with test.
But if youve hit a plateu why not post your diet in the diet section and fine tune it to break your plateu and grow a bit more naturally as your diet probably isnt what it could be if youve stopped at 165.

[bjohnson1968]

if you were 184 and dropped to 165 then you are not at your genetic potential fix your diet and or training to get back up to at least the weight you were b4

[Knockout_Power]

Tiny, your body is obviously not ready for AAS. Build back up naturally

[Tiny26]

Like i said 184 is the most i ever weighted, maybe i just couldn't maintain it. I really tried everything to get back up training hard, eating, protein gainers. Nothing seems to be working though. It's very frustrating. I'm resulting to AAS as a last resort

[bjpennnn]

you said that you got to 184 naturally and that your 165 at the moment. No offense bro but you are just being lazy.

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[Tiny26]

lazy??? I'm at the gym 5-6 times a week bro. I'm a very hard gainer. 6' 165. low bf around 8% Newbie. 4 years training. Diet over 3000 calories including 3 gainer shakes of 650 each + 4 meals including breakfast (eggs, fruits) Lunch (steak veggies) dinner (fish, veggies) and multiple snacks in between. Pct if i go on this cycle recommended would include clomide, nolvadex and may use hcg for 30 days considering the 1st cycle would be between 8 or 10 weeks. I'm not sure what it is but there is something that is preventing me from gaining size. Any other suggestions?

[Matt]

If you got to 184 naturally once then thats what you need to aim for again before even looking at aas...

Swap the gainer shakes for real food, try eating 4000 cals a day and post your full diet in the diet forum.

If your not eating correctly now then aas are just pointless....

[Tiny26]

So you're saying that AAS won't work at this stage after my weight loss? It wouldn't help me grow at all?

[Matt]

If your not at your full natural potential and your not eating more than you can then all you will do is add a few lbs mostly water that will be lost as soon as your cycle is over..

[gixxerboy1]

So you're saying that AAS won't work at this stage after my weight loss? It wouldn't help me grow at all?

if your only eating enough to support 165lbs how do you think steroids will fix that?

[Knockout_Power]

So you're saying that AAS won't work at this stage after my weight loss? It wouldn't help me grow at all?

If you cant sustain 185 naturally, what good is getting back there with gear and not being able to hold it. Thats a lot of unneccessary stress on the body changin wieght back and forth.