Help for newbie

**doug10** · 06-13-2010, 09:19 PM

Hello

I have been working out for 5 years know and feel it is know time to try a cycle. I am 6'1 180 with 15 % body fat. I was thinking of anavar and something.My goal is to be 200 pounds and lower body fat%. Edited
thanks

**lovbyts** · 06-13-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by doug10

Hello

I have been working out for 5 years know and feel it is know time to try a cycle. I am 6'1 180 with 15 % body fat. I was thinking of anavar and something.My goal is to be 200 pounds and lower body fat%. Edited
thanks

What is your age?

6' 1" you should easily be able to reach 200 lbs without any use of AAS with only a decent diet and exercise.

After you reach around 200+ due to correcting your diet and workout routine then maybe it's time to look into a beginner cycle or Test. Read up on the beginner cycles and also in the diet section.

**doug10** · 06-13-2010, 10:11 PM

I am 21 years old and have researched alot about steroids and such. Do you think my editing and warning your post above was for no reason? Last warning before you are banned.

**Ernst** · 06-13-2010, 10:33 PM

Seriously, read the rules. You may not ask for sources here! Edit your post!

And lovbyts is giving you some good advice.

**ScotchGuard** · 06-13-2010, 10:44 PM

doug10, you endocrine system might not be fully developed at this point. I think 21 is a borderline as to when the endo system physically matures. It is the fairly common to start AAS at about 25 years of age. I agree with lovbyts, at your height you should be able to achieve 200lbs with a good diet and supplementation. You'll want to really be prepared for your first cycle. You'll get your best results on your first cycle if your ready. Take your time and maximize your natural potential.

**marcus300** · 06-13-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard

doug10, you endocrine system might not be fully developed at this point. I think 21 is a borderline as to when the endo system physically matures. It is the fairly common to start AAS at about 25 years of age. I agree with lovbyts, at your height you should be able to achieve 200lbs with a good diet and supplementation. You'll want to really be prepared for your first cycle. You'll get your best results on your first cycle if your ready. Take your time and maximize your natural potential.

Agreed, good advice^^^

Pls listen

**doug10** · 06-13-2010, 11:39 PM

thanks for all the replys greatly appreciated. Why are steroids so bad if your under 25 if you see ncaa football players using them when there 20 years old.

**marcus300** · 06-13-2010, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by doug10

thanks for all the replys greatly appreciated. Why are steroids so bad if your under 25 if you see ncaa football players using them when there 20 years old.

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.
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**doug10** · 06-14-2010, 12:18 AM

thanks alot for your post. Im sorry i have so many questions. Even if i just take anavar will i get that many side effects? from what i have read it is just a little bad for your liver.

**marcus300** · 06-14-2010, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by doug10

thanks alot for your post. Im sorry i have so many questions. Even if i just take anavar will i get that many side effects? from what i have read it is just a little bad for your liver.

Please re-read my prevoius post regarding steroids and age.

**ScotchGuard** · 06-14-2010, 11:25 PM

doug10, the lure for performance enhancement through AAS for young athletes is almost irresistible. Without going through all the papers and documentation I just want to say that 1) one of the main points on this forum is safety. Taking AAS when you're too young is simply not safe. It doesn't matter how many NCAA star athletes are taking AAS. It's still not safe. 2) the combined knowledge of the experience users on this forum is considerable. They really know their stuff. I'm learning all the time. It takes patience and a little maturity to listen to the experts. 3) ultimately the decision to cycle AAS rest on you. I hope you wait and keep training naturally. When your time comes to cycle you will have a great experience. Not only that, you will recover from PCT and will continue to have great cycles in the future.