Liver Toxicity...

[Ulysses]

A question... Why is it that whenever someone states that they are doing an oral only cycle, a load of people jump on them and say that they're going to destroy their liver etc etc, and then in the next breath suggest that they should instead do a Test cycle with D-bol to kick it off? Surely that would be at least as liver toxic as d-bol on it's own. I'm not suggesting that a d-bol cycle (or any oral) on it's own is a smart move, just trying to understand the reasoning? Cheers! :-)

[bjohnson1968]

because orals are methylated to enable them 2 passes through the liver thus causing liver stress

[Ernst]

Dbol as a kickstart is one thing, but a lot of the oral-only cycles one will see proposed are borderline ridiculous. These are generally not people with realistic expectations looking to stack a moderate dose of tbol and var for a while, but instead ideas of months and months spent on high doses of orals; even stacking some of the more toxic ones up together. The folks looking to do 6 weeks of dbol (or god knows what else) are usually advised to simply use that dbol to kick off a nice test cycle so they get the most out of their first foray into AAS

[Ulysses]

Ahh - that makes more sense! So am I right in thinking that even pinned AAS are toxic to the liver, but LESS toxic than orals?

[Ernst]

Pinned AAS can be liver toxic and yes, generally less so than orals (keep in mind that orals can be prepared for injection-- winny is commonly seen, but really pretty much anything can be done).

[Ulysses]

Gotcha. So are supplements like liv52 and milk thistle advisable for pinned cycles? :-)

[G4R]

Its never a bad idea to use liver supplements regardless, if nothing else other than overall liver health. IMO, liver supps are not neccessary for an injection cycle, but again, its not a bad idea to go ahead and take them.

By the way, I never recommend using Dbol on a first cycle, personally, I think Test for a beginner is suffecient.

[Ulysses]

Yeah - I (like most newbies) tried a dbol only cycle and experienced fantastic gains, no sides, and then lost it all when I came off - lol!! I guess everyone has to learn the hard way! The only oral cycle I would run now would be t-bol which works brilliantly for me. :-)

[AlphaGenetics]

They say it because they are trying to educate and protect you from yourself.

[setian]

What is more toxic? 2-3 beers a day for 4-5 weeks straight or doing an oral cycle of say dbol for example for 4-5 weeks?

[Ulysses]

This is a VERY good question!! I once saw a post that said that a tab of dbol was the equivalent of a shot of spirits; but I have no idea how they came to that conclusion - lol!! Anyone? :-)

[toothache]

I like to take udca for liver protection. Its the best thing out there for that and it lowers cholesterol.

[bigpapabuff]

udca is great for liver protection, and can definitely help brin down cholesterol levels, very good to supplement.