Front loading question.

**ylfcm** · 06-20-2010, 03:33 AM

Hi guys,

Im about to start a cycle of 750mg sust pw and Tbol, now I want to frontload to get it started.
That would be 1500mg which would be 6mls. Now should I inject that on the first day?
Just seems like a fair amount or should I divide it into say injection monday (3mls) and thursday (3mls)???

This is NOT my first cycle.

Ylfcm

***D7M*** · 06-20-2010, 06:16 AM

stats and cycle history?

**nikolai14** · 06-20-2010, 09:20 AM

why dont you just frontload with your tbol or get some prop.. no need to pump that much sust in yourself as a frontload because its still gonna take several weeks for your long esters to kick in no matter how much you take

**Matt** · 06-20-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by nikolai14

why dont you just frontload with your tbol or get some prop.. no need to pump that much sust in yourself as a frontload because its still gonna take several weeks for your long esters to kick in no matter how much you take

Why dont you wait until the op gives his stats before giving him answers..

**Vullfromsc** · 06-20-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by 007

Why dont you wait until the op gives his stats before giving him answers..

because you can answer A LOT of questions without knowing someone's stats..

**Matt** · 06-20-2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Vullfromsc

because you can answer A LOT of questions without knowing someone's stats..

That maybe the case but when a vet asks the op for stats then lets wait for stats, otherwise your just undermining the vet...

Its a simple thing we do here, there are many other boards out there that dont give a flying fvck about stats, there always looking for new members...

**Vullfromsc** · 06-20-2010, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by 007

That maybe the case but when a vet asks the op for stats then lets wait for stats, otherwise your just undermining the vet...

Its a simple thing we do here, there are many other boards out there that dont give a flying fvck about stats, there always looking for new members...

oh alright got ya. didn't mean to disrespect

**c-Z** · 06-20-2010, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Vullfromsc

because you can answer A LOT of questions without knowing someone's stats..

Technically speaking yes.... logically no. How do you give advice when the guy posting is say 6 ft at 165lbs. Do you think logically it is safe to advise him to use steroids ? no. The reason being his diet is lacking. Most common thing amongst people coming here is there diet. And you can tell a lot from someones stats.

So please. Dont advise anyone without knowing stats. Do what you want to your body. But keep your mouth shut when it comes to others. We want them to run it safely and properly.

**nikolai14** · 06-20-2010, 03:44 PM

in no way was i trying to undermine a vet or mod.. i probably should have waited for his stats etc.. however, in his original post he says "hes about to start a cycle" meaning he probably allready has this stuff on hand.. he also says "its not his first" so he probably has a little experience or hes allready fvcked himself up and doesnt care.. again i probably did jump the gun, but if you see someone is allready planning on doing something and you believe there may be a safer more intelligent way of doing it, why not advise him.. i personally dont think hes gonna go flush his gear down the toilet just cuz a vet or mod didnt give him the advice he wanted to hear

**Tyler694** · 06-20-2010, 05:16 PM

Agreed.

If he is dead set on running AAS, he will only take in information that is ideal. The whole "Don't take steroids until _____" hardly ever works. Trust me, been there done that. As have all my friends.

Best to give him good advice over no advice. ..and yes, kickstarting with prop is good advice.

**ylfcm** · 06-20-2010, 06:09 PM

28
164cm (5' 4")
91kg (201 lbs) Max 95kg
around 12,14% bf
Training around 7 years
2 cycles
Diet in check

And yes I do have everything ready to go and feel my knowledge is plenty for what I have done in the past, just new to frontloading.

**Tyler694** · 06-20-2010, 06:45 PM

"Frontloading" is a myth. "Kickstarting" on the other hand is not.

I kickstart all of my long ester cycles. Kickstart and end on some prop!

**ylfcm** · 06-21-2010, 04:51 AM

By that you mean kickstarting with prop?

**G4R** · 06-21-2010, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tyler694

Agreed.

If he is dead set on running AAS, he will only take in information that is ideal. The whole "Don't take steroids until _____" hardly ever works. Trust me, been there done that. As have all my friends.

Best to give him good advice over no advice. ..and yes, kickstarting with prop is good advice.

Completley disagree with this statement.

Not to hijack the thread, but if someone is wanting to do steroids, then anyone telling them not to do them may not stop them. But, I for one will take no part in someone possibly messing themselves up just because they dont want to hear whats best for them. This site is not here to spoon feed ignorance, but to supply people with what is the intelligent thing to do.

Sorry OP, thank you for your stats.

**Charger527** · 06-21-2010, 05:02 AM

frontloading is not a myth, there are various studies that support it, and i myself have sucssefully done it with test e.

Pros: Kicks in quicker, feel effects quicker,

Cons: Large amount to be injected, Realtivly little extra gain from amount of gear used to frontload, Sides seamed to arise from the frontload and took longer to get in check.

Overall i would not bother with a frontload again, personally i dont think you need to frontload a sus cycle as a majority of it os prop anyway.

If i were to do anything, i would kickstart with an oral or prop.

**bignoob** · 06-21-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Technically speaking yes.... logically no. How do you give advice when the guy posting is say 6 ft at 165lbs. Do you think logically it is safe to advise him to use steroids ? no. The reason being his diet is lacking. Most common thing amongst people coming here is there diet. And you can tell a lot from someones stats.

So please. Dont advise anyone without knowing stats. Do what you want to your body. But keep your mouth shut when it comes to others. We want them to run it safely and properly.

I don't make it a habbit of getting involved with the arguments on the forum simpley because I am in fact....a noob. But, I would like to say that I totally agree with you.
I came to this forum orginally to get some pointers and start pinning away. But, I was told by the vets to learn a little more and why it was important to educate myself before running cycle. They probably saved me from permanently ****ing myself up. Yes, they have advised me along the way on different cycles and such. But, I can't remember a time when I wasn't asked for my stats. So I just post them automaticly everytime I ask a question. Sorry for jacking the thread.....just thought a noobs perspective would be good here.

**marcus300** · 06-21-2010, 03:19 PM

Frontloading does work in some guys but not in all, its like most things when we are dealing with steroids , not everyone responds the same. For me i love frontloading its makes my gear kick quick and i can cut the length of the cycle down even when running long esters, if you havent tried it and your experienced enough then give it a go and see if you respond to it or its a waste of gear.

A simple way to understand how to frontload is just double the amount of injection up to the first half life.