Danabol+Deca, Nolvadex cycle, when Milk Thistle

**Nongold** · 07-02-2010, 04:06 PM

300mg Deca weekly
20g Danabol ed
Nolvadex 20mg

Work out 5 years so far.
weight - 70kg, 170cm - tall, Diet: protein - 200g, carbo - 70g, fat - 50g, %Bf- circa 18%. skeletal muscles% about 41%. Strict low carbo diet.
currently supplements: gaspari super pump, size on, myofusion, novedex xl.

This is going to be my first cycle. Been given an advice to take it along with testo but have only gears above mentioned. Is ok to use nolvadex straight after last shot of Deca or take it first day after Danabol? and go with it along whole cycle? And when shall I take Milk Thistle to protect liver? before the cycle or straight after?
Please give me some advices in regards to my cycle. Thx

**Matt** · 07-02-2010, 04:10 PM

Very bad idea..

Judging by your stats your along way from being ready for aas, you also need to educate yourself by reading the educational threads at the top of this forum. Your running the risk of doing yourself real harm...

**Nongold** · 07-02-2010, 04:24 PM

I do read threads - could you tell me what wrong is with my cycle? I don't choose a soft option but if u could point me in right direction... why there is the risk of a real harm?

**Big** · 07-02-2010, 04:40 PM

As advised, read the educational threads and profiles, that's an awful cycle and you aren't ready.

**jordann** · 07-02-2010, 04:46 PM

Test should always be the base of your cycle, no matter what.

You are also not ready to use AAS. Your diet sucks and you should try to put on some more weight naturally. Get some help in the diet section.

**Nongold** · 07-02-2010, 07:23 PM

Jordann can be more precise - why do you think I am not ready for aas. why my diet sucks? I do read the threads but instead telling me i am wrong please give more direct advises... Yes I know it should be more calories in my diet but what the hell is wrong...

**Nongold** · 07-02-2010, 07:55 PM

I see I can't count on real help here... thought forum is realy usefull thing as there are profs who can give some advices... yeah Benjamin258456 you r really cool...

**Big** · 07-02-2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nongold;****384

I see I can't count on real help here... thought forum is realy usefull thing as there are profs who can give some advices... ...

you were advised twice to read the educational threads. if you are incapable of doing that and expect us to poo-feed you, then no you won't get much help here.

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 10:53 AM

Have done a proper (I think) research and indeed there was alot to mend in my cycle. Thx for remarks. I know the test should be a base for every cycle but a lot of you guys start for a first cycle Danabol only ( of course apart from liver protectors, vitamins, supplements, and anti estrogens.) Is this ok for me to kick start with danabol only or I really should stick to test only or both of it combined? And one more question - f I only have Nolvadex can I use it without clomid for my PCT?

**dec11** · 07-06-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nongold

Have done a proper (I think) research and indeed there was alot to mend in my cycle. Thx for remarks. I know the test should be a base for every cycle but a lot of you guys start for a first cycle Danabol only ( of course apart from liver protectors, vitamins, supplements, and anti estrogens.) Is this ok for me to kick start with danabol only or I really should stick to test only or both of it combined? And one more question - f I only have Nolvadex can I use it without clomid for my PCT?

oh dear, back to the drawing board for you. where on here did you read dbol only is a good idea?!

**suttie** · 07-06-2010, 11:01 AM

deca and dbol together is a very bad idea like others say ,the reason for this is they will shut your natural test levals down to zero ,now as your not useing test in your proposed cycle your body will have no test at all meaaning you will feel like utter shit ,no sex drive,no appitie,tied alot,ect , test is very important for men and a cycle like that will take very bit of natural test away ,you get what am saying?

**suttie** · 07-06-2010, 11:02 AM

also for full recovery you want to use nolva and clomid combined for best results when it comes to recovery (hcg if useing deca is a must imo)

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 11:37 AM

Dec11 - I read a lot of on this forum and different ones and in fact some well educated in this area members did take danabol/anabol/metanabol/dianabol which is more less same think without test - well I am only write what I saw on others forums - dont judge me just ask what do you think about that idea.
And to Suttie - I know de and Dbol is a bad idea I havent mention this combinatn in my thread did I? Thinking of test E only as a first cycle or test E (11weeks)+ Dbol ( 4 weeks) then PCT... what do u suggest?

**suttie** · 07-06-2010, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Nongold;****106

300mg Deca weekly
20g Danabol ed
Nolvadex 20mg

Work out 5 years so far.
weight - 70kg, 170cm - tall, Diet: protein - 200g, carbo - 70g, fat - 50g, %Bf- circa 18%. skeletal muscles% about 41%. Strict low carbo diet.
currently supplements: gaspari super pump, size on, myofusion, novedex xl.

This is going to be my first cycle. Been given an advice to take it along with testo but have only gears above mentioned. Is ok to use nolvadex straight after last shot of Deca or take it first day after Danabol? and go with it along whole cycle? And when shall I take Milk Thistle to protect liver? before the cycle or straight after?
Please give me some advices in regards to my cycle. Thx

yes you did

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 11:48 AM

Suttie -yes I did before I've done some reading... now more wiser (but just a little bit...

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 11:50 AM

cancelled

**Matt** · 07-06-2010, 11:53 AM

Yes test only for your first cycle would be a much better idea however you need to learn how to eat correctly before you embark on any aas cycle...

If your not eating correctly then whatever gains you make will be short lived..

Go to the diet forum and post your diet...

**Matt** · 07-06-2010, 11:54 AM

Delete that link, it is against the board rules...

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 12:02 PM

link has been cancelled

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 12:04 PM

I know 007 that looking at my ats it does look ke my diet is crap but in fact I am quite certain my et is more than ok ( u will evaluate it yourself anyway...) will post it where advised...

**Nongold** · 07-06-2010, 03:56 PM

hi 007 I've posted my diet in diet question :
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...08#post5252208

please do some correction if needed

**Nongold** · 07-07-2010, 10:03 AM

post it again here as noone did give me any hint in regards to my diet...

Work out 5 years so far, my daily calorie requirement is 3050kcal.

1st dish: about 10AM
100g oats + 2 bananas + handfull of rasins + spoon of honey.

2nd dish: about 11AM
Sandwich - 2 slices of wholemeal bread with pumpkin seeds + 50g of tenderloin + 2 eggs + radish + one tomato

3rd dish: about 12PM
2 portions of myofusion protein by Gaspari (72g) with semi skimmed milk 1.7%fat

4th dish: about 14PM
280g of basmanti rice + one chicken breast + one tomato/sauercraft

workout about 15PM

5th dish: 16PM
2 bananas and 36g myofusion protein shake.

6th dish: 17PM
cooked chicken breast with little bit of bbq sauce.

7th dish: 20PM
tin of panga in tomato sauce/makrell/tuna.

8th dish: 23PM
36g of myofusion protein shake

**carbo** · 07-07-2010, 05:13 PM

quick points

diet - i would not have more than 1 protein shake a day, try to replace with real food
- dont' know what your weight it, but keep the protein intake above 2g/kg

cycle - the cycle is wrong with high risk of shutting you down badly. don't run deca and dbol without test and on the other hand don't run test+deca as your first cycle. read the stickies and do some more research.