third cycle critique please

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 04:05 AM

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**flexandex** · 07-06-2010, 04:14 AM

I can't make a near enough informative valid comment about the gear choices, the vets will take care of that haha

. Seems like an awful lot of product though..

Just one thing i noticed about your diet, for a 250pound monster, 20-50g of fat is simply not enough. Up that man, your body needs those EFAS!

oh and get taht pic up man!

**G4R** · 07-06-2010, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by ricky23

my stats
21 years old
257 pounds
not entirely sure of bf - estimate 12% (i will attach a pic as soon as i can)

any criticism is welcome and feedback appreciated. thanks everyone.

I understand you have run two cycles prior, but do yourself a favor and let your body finish developing on its own (if it still can....).

Dont risk any further possible damage to yourself right now. Take it easy.

**big_ron** · 07-06-2010, 05:24 AM

before answering this kids thread, take some time and look at other threads he has made, he doesnt listen to ANYTHING so there is no point, he's stats are bull, 257lb and 10% at 21? c'mon, you should be a pro and be telling us answers hahah, yeah i wanna see pics! people has asked him before but he never posts them

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 05:36 AM

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**marcus300** · 07-06-2010, 05:46 AM

Ive just looked over your previous post's and in nearly every thread you have been told not to cycle with such harsh amounts at your age yet you seem not to listen, why would you carry on posting!! no one here is going to tell you to cycle.

Your stats are all over the place in your previous post, your cycling tren and test on your second cycle and using over 1g, you do know your asking for trouble but I can tell i am wasting my time even typing.

My advice, stop cycling and re-group, get control because the way your heading is right to the HRT bank.

**wharton** · 07-06-2010, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Ive just looked over your previous post's and in nearly every thread you have been told not to cycle with such harsh amounts at your age yet you seem not to listen, why would you carry on posting!! no one here is going to tell you to cycle.

Your stats are all over the place in your previous post, your cycling tren and test on your second cycle and using over 1g, you do know your asking for trouble but I can tell i am wasting my time even typing.

My advice, stop cycling and re-group, get control because the way your heading is right to the HRT bank.

Looking over this guys posts he reminds me of that guy that had lots of accounts and kept coming back for answers, hes even askin ronnie in his threads the same as the other guy did, someing just isnt right. woulnt put it past him to be 26 again in his next post..

**Igifuno** · 07-06-2010, 07:21 AM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=436770

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

Looking over this guys posts he reminds me of that guy that had lots of accounts and kept coming back for answers, hes even askin ronnie in his threads the same as the other guy did, someing just isnt right. woulnt put it past him to be 26 again in his next post..

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**wharton** · 07-06-2010, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ricky23

you know what forget this, people accusing me of stuff i havent even done! i appreciate your advice marcus3000 and i will do as you say and probably stay off gear for a couple of years while researching the hell out of it to make sure im prepared to the fullest. ive built a solid base over the years and felt the time was right for steroids and i exploded after i took them. i have had bad sides - bad acne, lack of sleep and my blood pressure is through the roof but decreasing now. but im gonna delete this account, why would i lie about my stats if im apparently not gonna listen to anyone regardles! who the hell am i trying to impress. ive been weight training since i as 15 and if i have something in my head i have to fulfill it so i tried steroids.
but i do appreciate your advice marcus and i will do as you suggest.
thanks

You wanna make all of us eat our words why dont you post a pic like you said you were going to? wouldnt that prove your for real? If you are for real i would be interested in seeing your BB pics from when you were starting out until now and im sure many others would to. So if you are for real post them then? or you can jsut make excuses or ignore this post like i expect you to...

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 11:16 AM

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**wharton** · 07-06-2010, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by ricky23

i'll post the pic as soonas i get home tonight. i dont have before pics but i'll post the pics that i have. and im not trying to make anyone eat their words. i try to respect everyone here.

You do that, and remember im just giving my opinion in all my posts, i type what i see, I aint here to flame anyone. shame you dont have before pics..

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 12:31 PM

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**Matt** · 07-06-2010, 12:40 PM

I would put your bf at about 18/20% but a better photo my help....

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 12:45 PM

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**Matt** · 07-06-2010, 12:52 PM

That picture is better but id put you at between 20 and 25% bf....

**wharton** · 07-06-2010, 02:08 PM

Ok now advice would be to drop some BF, i would put you at high 20's% to, not a good place to be while taking gear for anyone. on a pluss side if you drop some bf you look like you got a fair amount of mass, it would be a good idea to get on a good lean anobolic diet from here and throw in some cardio. Diet section on here is a good place to start.

**suttie** · 07-06-2010, 02:14 PM

yes i would say around 25-30% bf ,big dude i will add but your results would be alot better if you could drop down to around 15% ,belive me a low body fat with aas use really pays off ,if you cycle now you run the risk of adding alot of unwanted fat/warter and this in turn can lead to estrogen related/bp/cholestral sides.

**ricky23** · 07-06-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by wharton

Ok now advice would be to drop some BF, i would put you at high 20's% to, not a good place to be while taking gear for anyone. on a pluss side if you drop some bf you look like you got a fair amount of mass, it would be a good idea to get on a good lean anobolic diet from here and throw in some cardio. Diet section on here is a good place to start.

Originally Posted by suttie

yes i would say around 25-30% bf ,big dude i will add but your results would be alot better if you could drop down to around 15% ,belive me a low body fat with aas use really pays off ,if you cycle now you run the risk of adding alot of unwanted fat/warter and this in turn can lead to estrogen related/bp/cholestral sides.

thanks for the feedback, im going to take your advice wharton and drop bf. the diet - 500g protein, 200-300g carbs and 50g fats what do you think? i dont like the keto diet as ive tried it for a week a few weeks ago and lost over 5 kilos, i spent 3 days carbing up to put the weight back on.
in addition to the diet, 30 mins low intensity cardio (120bpm) pwo 6 das a week?
i know too much cardio is catabolic especially if not on aas.
im not gonna cycle as i mentioned before but would t3 and clen be ok?
thanks

**big_ron** · 07-06-2010, 05:01 PM

ahh i knew you could be that heavy but not at %10 bf, seems you put on alot of fat in your cycles, maybe you need to change a few things in your diet lol.

**wharton** · 07-07-2010, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by ricky23

thanks for the feedback, im going to take your advice wharton and drop bf. the diet - 500g protein, 200-300g carbs and 50g fats what do you think? i dont like the keto diet as ive tried it for a week a few weeks ago and lost over 5 kilos, i spent 3 days carbing up to put the weight back on.
in addition to the diet, 30 mins low intensity cardio (120bpm) pwo 6 das a week?
i know too much cardio is catabolic especially if not on aas.
im not gonna cycle as i mentioned before but would t3 and clen be ok?
thanks

If your eating 500g of protein you would be ok starting at 100g of carbs/ed see how you get on, good carbs brown rice, sweet potato or oats, fats 40g will do, you might wanna shoot for 30g of fat as a lot of fat is hidden in food anyway, if you make a new thread in the diet section there are lots of people that can help you better than i can with diet.

to get you started mine looks something likke this:

Meal one = 250g oats(188gcarb) with 8 eggs(80gPro) & 40g nuts(40gfat).

Meal two = 200g lean mince beef(70gPro) & 400g potato(80carb)

Meal three = Pro shake ( 70g pro 100g carbs) (after workout)

Meal four = 300g chicken breast(65gPro), 50g rice & veg

Meal five = 300g chicken breast(65gPro) & veg

Meal six = Pro shake ( 80g pro 50g carbs) casien

418g carb 1672
430g pro 1720
40g fat 360
3752cal

On Heavy training days i add another 50/100 shake. My diet does change but this is the basic stucture I use, things that change would be the the meats and meal six is sometimes steak/sweet potato.

**flexandex** · 07-07-2010, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

Meal one = 250g oats(188gcarb)

What kind of oats do you have with a carb ratio like that? or was it a typo? the oats i've seen are 50% carbs, so 250g = 125g.

I would much prefer yours.. lol

**wharton** · 07-07-2010, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by flexandex

What kind of oats do you have with a carb ratio like that? or was it a typo? the oats i've seen are 50% carbs, so 250g = 125g.

I would much prefer yours.. lol

its Buckwheat groats. I blend them add them to the eggs and add some banana's for flavour, then just knock them back. you best have a good blender

they are aprx 75g carb per 100g